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Post by DJ 7.0 on Sept 15, 2010 16:31:34 GMT -5
I don't stir any pots. I'm not a witch making a brew.
GaGa is the most known artist right now.
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Post by Till Da World Ends [MARK] on Sept 15, 2010 17:15:41 GMT -5
But what is Cher known for to make her more well known? You have to have relevance among modern audiences too MJ, The Beatles, Elvis, I would definitely agree with you. The latter two especially stopped making music so long ago, but their legacy still have lives on today and won't fade. But I don't think Cher is close to their level or anywhere near it. I'd put tons of people in between like Madonna, Bob Dylan, Frank Sinatra, Aretha Franklin, etcAt best, I think Cher might be a gay icon, but in the big picture, I don't think she's held up as well as the others. this is my POINT! i just included Cher in there because she was as legendary as the rest. the point is, there are plenty of many other artists out there who are more known.
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Post by DJ 7.0 on Sept 15, 2010 18:55:42 GMT -5
Most of those artists don't even do anything anymore. They may have once been more known, but they sure aren't anymore.
I'm sure a 11 year old has no idea who Bob Dylan is, but if you show them someone (Gaga) in a crazy outfit, they will know who it is
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Post by - `J0EL™ on Sept 15, 2010 18:57:16 GMT -5
Because once you hit a certain age you don't get "hit" singles anymore.
Example: Madonna, Janet, Mariah, ect....
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Post by Billy Uranus on Sept 15, 2010 21:09:59 GMT -5
Are we really basing this off of 11 year olds? Because if so, I think I can just laugh and move on from this thread.
I agree with LW. Cher is still known today as a gay icon, just like Cyndi Lauper. While people like me will know that Lauper had two of the most iconic singles of the '80s, I wouldn't expect most people our age to know that. For some reason, they all know the likes of Michael, Elvis and yes even The Beatles. There are way more high school kids listening to those three artists than even a lot of the pop music of the '90s.
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Post by kevinkdc on Sept 15, 2010 23:36:47 GMT -5
Hmm. I think gaga is more popular world wide then cher. Cher had a better breaktrough in the us and gaga in world wide.
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Post by Billy Uranus on Sept 15, 2010 23:44:41 GMT -5
Do you believe in life after success? I sure hope Cher does!
Now that was a joke, but I am not kidding when I say that her popularity could go either way. It might be a gradual thing, or she might fall off more quickly than anyone anticipates.
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Post by kevinkdc on Sept 16, 2010 1:16:01 GMT -5
I see your point there, but I still believe that since the two first albums at least both had moderate success, there's still a long way down to the bottom. Especially for Gaga now. She already created such a big name for herself and even if the media ate her alive and hounded her about her weirdness and stuff, her fans loving will help her stay relevant. Lets say her next album has a "My December" like flop, we won't have to worry cause she will come back strong after that. The likelihood of her next album flopping is like having a Beyonce album flop. I am not sure if Gaga has reached her peak yet...
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Post by - `J0EL™ on Sept 17, 2010 18:01:31 GMT -5
Gaga seems to be under the influence of narcotics.
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Post by BRiTNASTY on Sept 17, 2010 18:29:23 GMT -5
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Post by - `J0EL™ on Sept 17, 2010 20:34:36 GMT -5
That is humorous.
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Post by Till Da World Ends [MARK] on Sept 17, 2010 20:40:51 GMT -5
I really tried but I just can't stand her. I still really like her music and I'm sure I will continue to do so, but just her in general irks me. Her personality really does it for me. So many people say how "genuine" she is, but to me, she tries to come off TOO genuine and it just makes it look fake. Like at the VMAs.. bitch you weren't gonna let your fans down. Really? And the "monsters" thing really needs to stop. It's like some sort of cult or something I really want to root for her because she is someone who went from being a normal person to this huge star but I just CAN'T for some reason. Everything about her is just too fake and calculated. Plus I still have yet to see the "real" Gaga. The real girl behind all of the stupid shit she wears and does. A down to earth person who is behind the Gaga mask.
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Post by kevinkdc on Sept 17, 2010 20:41:28 GMT -5
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Post by Billy Uranus on Sept 17, 2010 22:53:45 GMT -5
;D is right
That being said, I like the way she always will "come original".
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Post by Billy Uranus on Sept 18, 2010 0:37:26 GMT -5
If you don't ask why I'm posting this, there will be no need to tell.
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Post by kevinkdc on Sept 18, 2010 0:45:08 GMT -5
So why are you posting it ?
I am going to have too think twice before I post my opinion on this.
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Post by BRiTNASTY on Sept 18, 2010 7:41:32 GMT -5
She's right but god she looks like such a man in a wig
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Post by Monroe on Sept 18, 2010 12:02:39 GMT -5
I really think she is the epitomization of an anti-icon. There's no weight behind her actions.
It seems she has become an icon with literally no iconic moments (where are her iconic performances, her iconic dance moves, where is her controversy, her iconic videos?, what does she say about our culture at this point in time?, etc.) and ultimately she says nothing about our culture. She wears flashy and odd clothing and that's probably the most distinctive thing about her. She is deeply uncharismatic as a person and no one can really say a word about her true personality. Maybe that's what she is representing mystery and ambiguity. Stardom and star power without star quality? I truly have no idea what she represents because there's nothing about her that truly stands away from the pack unless we talk about her clothing, not even necessarily her image because she has a distinct lack of one. She's unapproachable and just in general vacant and distant. Like that odd basket case girl in The Breakfast Club.
I think the only distinctive thing about her maybe that she became the poster child for the euro-dance movement. But she distinctly lacks memorable events that a true icon does. She has the following of an icon with none of the relative work to show for it. It's like she is an icon in name only, because nothing she has done has been truly "iconic".
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Post by Till Da World Ends [MARK] on Sept 18, 2010 13:02:01 GMT -5
I agree with Monroe, especially about her personality. A lot of the time she seems unenthusiastic or vacant, and with her always doing this "Lady Gaga" persona, we never get to see the real her. I guess many people are OK with her just being her persona because it does have mystery to her, but in any artist that I like, I like to see their actual personality and see them when they are down to earth and relatable to everyone. I think that's why I like Britney so much, because while she has an on-stage persona of a Pop diva, when shes off stage, she's just a regular person again. She doesn't try too hard in what she wears, she goes out of the house looking like everyone else. Her interviews and her personality are always down to earth. Other examples are Katy Perry and P!nk. Down to earth huge artists who don't let "The Fame" get to their head and make them seem so in genuine and so fake. Especially how after I saw the pictures of article about her when she was younger, how she was NOTHING like her current self.
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Post by Monroe on Sept 18, 2010 14:09:35 GMT -5
I don't necessarily care about her being a fake construction, as it's been shown that Hollywood sucks the soul out of it's stars in order to create mass appeal. That aspect of "selling out" doesn't really bother me so much as we don't know who Gaga is, and since we know nothing about her she winds up saying nothing. She's popular but it's empty because no one can tell you really why they like her. She is just winds up being this weird albatross around our culture. She's just this empty vessel because nothing of importance is being shown through her. She's like alcohol, tons of empty and meaningless calories.
Her popularity has no foundation and her impact on her culture is seemingly more and more meaningless because there is no content or context to her. She wears crazy s**t every occasion that she can, well so, who cares? Her work isn't really telling us anything. Bad Romance and Telephone (her two most praised videos) seemingly say nothing it's just constant regurgitation of odd visuals and endless meshing together of odd pop culture moments. She's more destructive and corrosive then she truly is creative and inspiring because she is taking things out of content out of context and destroying their meaning by putting them in a completely different context thus destroying the value of the original work and it's individual merits. That's not art, that's destruction. That's chaos.
If we had a personality to go off of then we could perhaps get a feel of what she was trying to say or do, but she's like that weird freak in middle school who breathes with his mouth open or something. This might be less about Gaga and more about the fact that artists these days such have hardcore imaging problems they don't know where to start at carving out niche images for themselves without becoming faceless or stereotypical caricatures of themselves.
I do agree on the fact that she doesn't have a personality is a major problem because there is no persona to remember. It's like she is a faceless machine who makes music and all of her emotional steps she has taken to make her more human have seemingly fallen flat (Speechless). She is just too socially awkward and if people can't remember the person behind the odd outfit then how impactful can she be? There's not much vitality to be attached to her if she has no persona, no energy, no life for people to connect and relate to.
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Post by kevinkdc on Sept 18, 2010 15:42:00 GMT -5
You are right kp soon she will be irrelevant. Even the gays are thinking shut the hell up and stop being fake. All this monsters and weird clothes is just because she wants to be the center of attention. Gaga is not stupid, she is trying to get all the gays to support her with her music. I am just waiting for the time when she will become irrelevant, it may not be soon but in the decade it will be ''gaga who ?''.
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Post by Monroe on Sept 18, 2010 17:04:26 GMT -5
I am sure that people will remember Gaga if only for her obscure fashion style and her hit streak, but that is all people will remember her for. Much like the way people remember Paula Abdul, Jennifer Lopez and Cyndi Lauper. She'll be remembered probably for her oddness more so then anything else and for her cult hits.
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Post by - `J0EL™ on Sept 18, 2010 17:13:25 GMT -5
I think the only iconic thing she has ever done was the "Bad Romance" video.
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Post by Monroe on Sept 18, 2010 17:50:21 GMT -5
I think BR is a great visual aesthetic but I hesitate at calling clothing pieces iconic. Usually when people find clothing or outfits to be iconic it's because of the symbol behind the clothing, the symbolic merit of the piece means something particular and it defines a moment in time which ends up transporting you to that specific iconic event. The outfit itself isn't what is iconic but the meaning, the moment behind it is. Bad Romance doesn't even have an actual linear plot or storyline. It's just a random collection of badly danced choreography, random outfits, and badly acted close-up shots. There's nothing iconic that happens in the video. It's just Gaga in various states of odd dress. Not even the dance routine is remembered outside of her cult fan base it seems. A Single Ladies movement it certainly wasn't. I can appreciate the visual but the problem with her and her work seems to stem from the visual meaning something, connect with the audience, and having an impact which it doesn't. It's like McDonald's food we consume it and it's forgotten, as if you didn't even eat it two hours later.
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Post by Till Da World Ends [MARK] on Sept 18, 2010 20:41:16 GMT -5
Agreed with everyones points. And it's too bad. I'm really not coming from a place of hate on her, but I just can't find anything genuine about her, at all.
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