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Post by Late Winter on Aug 25, 2010 2:47:11 GMT -5
I am seriously worried for Katy. I frequented my Target today and they had at least 130 copies total just in a front display, not counting 20 of the T-Shrit+CD bonus and it looked like nothing had been touched. Same with my Best Buy, but they had so many copies I actually stopped counting after I got to 150 They also had 30 of the Boxer Shorts+CD bonus set. I think her label is overestimating and shipping out too much. Btw, I forgot to ask you this. Are the buttons on the boxers really s? Firework is last for you? That is interesting. I know a lot of people here didn't think it was that good, but I didn't think it was that bad. Nice pick for #1 though. It will be a disaster if that is not released as a single. Reminds me of Mariah and "Migrate" or even more recently Usher with "Guilty"...smh @ a re-release The writing's on the wall with this one. Firework and Peacock are definitely going to be singles the way they've been promoting so far. I think ET has a greater chance of being a single too. So TGIF might pull a Migrate/Breaking Dishes/Gone/etc except this time, the song in question really is strong enough be a single, and not just the goofy desires of some hardcore fans. But then again, I'm hoping that if they view this album as a collection of singles, we can get to 6th and maybe 7th singles here. Set: Hot N Cold I Kissed A Girl Teenage Dream Thinking Of You Waking Up In Vegas Firework ================ Peacock California Gurls I managed to catch Peacock. I thought it was kind of funny how it resembled the NBC logo actually more than a Peacock. Kind of ironic since it was on CBS
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Post by Late Winter on Aug 25, 2010 3:13:05 GMT -5
IKR. Even Miley Cyrus had a concert TV special lol Damn she couldn't spring for it to be actually televised on CBS? Mary J Blige has done this before actually. But I think that was a huge misstep, since it seems like something like this wouldn't necessarily target Mary J's audience well. On the other hand, I think this was actually a great strategy for Katy who really seems to really be on the cutting edge in terms of utilizing social media to its full potential. On her first album, I remember she got involved in some official Youtube concerts, and even did a youtube Q&A again with them for this album. And she just did a Facebook listening party on Sunday for the album that was held in conjunction with iTunes. And even Twitter wise, she must be doing something right, because before California Gurls came out, she still had a huge following. I forget the exact totals at this point, but wasn't she at least over a million if not two before CG? Either way, those were good numbers for someone like her who didn't have too many hits, or that much media coverage after IKAG, until the start of this era. And now with this concert, she was able to connect people from Facebook, Youtube, and Twitter onto one platform and even reach other audiences, like from Entertainment Tonight's website where this was also broadcast. And this was concert was also broadcast to CBS Radio I think with a TV concert, especially one for a major network, it would have been too costly. Now, she might have a higher audience, but not necessarily her target audience. It seems like these network TV specials have really died down in recent years, and when they do happen the demographics usually tend to be older (like Paul McCartney or Celine Dion). Maybe that's why this didn't work so well with Miley Cyrus? And it seems like these are usually concert broadcasts. And Katy doesn't have a tour DVD yet anyway, so it wouldn't have worked out anyway. And even if she tried something like MTV, like a live show like tonight's CBS concert, it might be cheaper, but the audience might not necessarily be compelled to watch. Here the audience gets keyed in directly with their computer, or it can be seen on demand, making the ease of accessibility much wider, while at the same time generating direct conversation and united interest in her product...as opposed to this just being shown on MTV and then having people run off to their random boards and twitters to chat about it. Plus, she killed two boards in one stone no? She was able to do Letterman that night on the same stage Although, it's kind of weird to think that she performed Teenage Dream on the same stage twice that night . But seriously, I didn't think they could have done it any better.
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Post by DJ 7.0 on Aug 25, 2010 10:41:21 GMT -5
Eminem will likely relinquish the No. 1 position next week to Katy Perry's new "Teenage Dream." Released yesterday (Aug. 24), industry prognosticators suggest that the set will likely sell in the range of 170,000 to 200,000 by week's end on Aug. 29. Beleaguered former "American Idol" champ Fantasia is seeking a big week too. Her third set, "Back to Me," is on track for a sturdy No. 2 debut with a number in the range of 150,000 to 175,000.
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Post by BRiTNASTY on Aug 25, 2010 11:41:52 GMT -5
Knew it.
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Post by BRiTNASTY on Aug 25, 2010 12:17:22 GMT -5
The CD is $16.99 at Best Buy and it comes with a pair of boxer shorts lol $7.99 for the regular CD. That seems like a lot for a pair of shorts twitpic.com/2hx7kgI GOT EM i'm sleeping in em every night now lol
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Post by Till Da World Ends [MARK] on Aug 25, 2010 12:17:50 GMT -5
ended up buying both Teenage Dream and One of the Boys on iTunes. $13.41 altogether
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Post by BRiTNASTY on Aug 25, 2010 12:28:24 GMT -5
Firework is last for you? That is interesting. I know a lot of people here didn't think it was that good, but I didn't think it was that bad. Nice pick for #1 though. It will be a disaster if that is not released as a single. Reminds me of Mariah and "Migrate" or even more recently Usher with "Guilty"...smh @ a re-release Let me try this again since I was 4 paragraphs in and then my BlackBerry suddenly went a page back --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I initially put Firework into the 'maybe' pile because really it was so hit and miss for me. I think after talking to LW and him mentioning how Katy said it was her 'Grammy moment' song, I did research and found what she said about the song and I got alienated from the song. As LW said twice in our msn convos, its generic pop with strings masking its flaws. Its so undeserving of what its going to become. Because its getting released 3rd (presumably), it's going to blow up simply because its Katy's 3rd single. It's going to become some big song and probably peak Top 5 after she has her two current #1's, assuming Teenage Dream hits #1 (which it looks like Enrique will peak at #2 after fighting with Taio and Katy will slip in a week before Usher ultimately does). The best I can hope for is Firework pulling a TOY and peaking in the lower to mid teens, because then Capitol is going to need to realize they need to encapsulate an 'album moment' and save the publics view of Katy after the song bombs. You can't go to Peacock for an album moment because it, like If You Seek Amy or I Kissed A Girl, are gimmick songs and they need to be coming off major success's in order to work or be put out there first to get people enticed. 'Peacock' is the definition of a silly pop song, but if its released 3rd it will work simply because radio will play it because its Katy's silly song. Katy can't use E.T. in this sense either because of one simple thing: the intro. Capitol will have to find a way to deliver the song to radio with something for listeners to latch onto instantly. The short 5 second intro, while fitting for the songs supernatural theme, doesn't work well because it barely registers unless you're listening very closely for it, otherwise, you just sort of jump into the song. 'Last Friday Night' is easily her album moment. Just like WUIV was her album moment last album, LFN is the easiest, catchiest pop song on the pop record. Its lyrics are current in the sense that its a very typical scenario for the core listening audience of 16-24. In terms of sales, its already selling more than the 'projected singles' are. Its ahead of Peacock, Firework, ET, etc. Theres a reason LFN is wedged between TD and CG; because the label knows what the song is, but they seem unwilling to recognize it until its necessary, and that is what is really going to be a sad situation. Instead of taking a misstep, they could release it 3rd, peacock 4th and ET or Pearl 5th and cultivate a really successful album run. But I'm thinking for the long run, record labels think the short term and how they can make their money back as quick as possible, and that's what is going to really mess up her whole situation. It's also going to be messed up simply because she is going to have less than stellar opening #'s and the label, while will support her to her face, are going to re-think everything with those opening #'s.
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Post by DJ 7.0 on Aug 25, 2010 13:18:35 GMT -5
Katy seems to really love "Firework" though. Last night during the concert (I'm pretty sure it was before "Firework") she said it was her favorite song she has ever done.
I don't really think it should be released, especially if it means "Last Friday Night" won't be released. I don't even think "Peacock" should be released...it is just a silly song.
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Post by kevinkdc on Aug 25, 2010 13:28:49 GMT -5
Hmm, Interesting. Feel bad that it won't debut on number 1 dough, Eminem needs to shit the f down
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Post by DJ 7.0 on Aug 25, 2010 13:31:41 GMT -5
No, it will debut at #1 lol didn't you see the article I posted?
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Post by kevinkdc on Aug 25, 2010 13:53:19 GMT -5
No, it will debut at #1 lol didn't you see the article I posted? Oh so Eminem is sitting the f down ? Oh the same artical you posted I already read at bilboard. Ohw I did not know what relinquish meant so yeah..
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Post by kevinkdc on Aug 25, 2010 13:55:45 GMT -5
Katy seems to really love "Firework" though. Last night during the concert (I'm pretty sure it was before "Firework") she said it was her favorite song she has ever done. I don't really think it should be released, especially if it means "Last Friday Night" won't be released. I don't even think "Peacock" should be released...it is just a silly song. Which is very weird, I think Fireworks is a good track but definitely single material. There isn't any smashing single for me on this album anymore, Just 3 semi hits: E.T, Fireworks and hummingbird heartbeat... Maybeee T.G.I.F
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Post by - `J0EL™ on Aug 25, 2010 13:56:18 GMT -5
I like Firework.
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Post by DJ 7.0 on Aug 25, 2010 14:14:49 GMT -5
I don't hate "Firework", but I will be pissed if Friday Night isn't released
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Post by Late Winter on Aug 25, 2010 17:15:33 GMT -5
Let me try this again since I was 4 paragraphs in and then my BlackBerry suddenly went a page back --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I initially put Firework into the 'maybe' pile because really it was so hit and miss for me. I think after talking to LW and him mentioning how Katy said it was her 'Grammy moment' song, I did research and found what she said about the song and I got alienated from the song. As LW said twice in our msn convos, its generic pop with strings masking its flaws. Its so undeserving of what its going to become. Because its getting released 3rd (presumably), it's going to blow up simply because its Katy's 3rd single. It's going to become some big song and probably peak Top 5 after she has her two current #1's, assuming Teenage Dream hits #1 (which it looks like Enrique will peak at #2 after fighting with Taio and Katy will slip in a week before Usher ultimately does). The best I can hope for is Firework pulling a TOY and peaking in the lower to mid teens, because then Capitol is going to need to realize they need to encapsulate an 'album moment' and save the publics view of Katy after the song bombs. You can't go to Peacock for an album moment because it, like If You Seek Amy or I Kissed A Girl, are gimmick songs and they need to be coming off major success's in order to work or be put out there first to get people enticed. 'Peacock' is the definition of a silly pop song, but if its released 3rd it will work simply because radio will play it because its Katy's silly song. Katy can't use E.T. in this sense either because of one simple thing: the intro. Capitol will have to find a way to deliver the song to radio with something for listeners to latch onto instantly. The short 5 second intro, while fitting for the songs supernatural theme, doesn't work well because it barely registers unless you're listening very closely for it, otherwise, you just sort of jump into the song. 'Last Friday Night' is easily her album moment. Just like WUIV was her album moment last album, LFN is the easiest, catchiest pop song on the pop record. Its lyrics are current in the sense that its a very typical scenario for the core listening audience of 16-24. In terms of sales, its already selling more than the 'projected singles' are. Its ahead of Peacock, Firework, ET, etc. Theres a reason LFN is wedged between TD and CG; because the label knows what the song is, but they seem unwilling to recognize it until its necessary, and that is what is really going to be a sad situation. Instead of taking a misstep, they could release it 3rd, peacock 4th and ET or Pearl 5th and cultivate a really successful album run. But I'm thinking for the long run, record labels think the short term and how they can make their money back as quick as possible, and that's what is going to really mess up her whole situation. It's also going to be messed up simply because she is going to have less than stellar opening #'s and the label, while will support her to her face, are going to re-think everything with those opening #'s. By "album moment" do you mean an album that's going to help her sell albums more efficiently? I don't know if TGIF is that type of song. But at least it would be a better bet than Peacock for sure, which is like a song meant to not help album sales, but move millions of downloads and ringtones I wouldn't rule out ET for it's short intro though. I mean doesn't Tik Tok start out completely cold? And they could always make a radio edit and consumers would be none the wiser. But I agree with TGIF's placement in the sequencing on the album. It is obviously sandwiched in with the singles
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Post by Monroe on Aug 25, 2010 20:41:15 GMT -5
LFN(TGIF) is her album moment in that it pretty much encompasses everything that's good about Teenage Dream. It enhances all the things that are likable about Katy, it isn't necessarily the best track off the album but it doesn't really have to be because the song is so likable and plays to all of Katy's strengths. It's also marginally less gimmicky in it's authenticity/sincerity (something Katy is strongly lacking through her single releases of both CG and TD as they sound more calculated with each listen).
The only other single release I could look forward too is TGIF personally. The rest (E.T., Peacock, Firework) sound astoundingly less creative and interesting.
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Post by Billy Uranus on Aug 26, 2010 0:23:29 GMT -5
This came out much longer after the first single hit the airwaves than you'd expect it to. Am I right?
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Post by ___D___ on Aug 26, 2010 10:42:21 GMT -5
E.T. and TGIF should def be released as singles, whichever order. Then she can release Pearl, Firework, or Not Like The Movies ... I personally don't think Peacock should be released.
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Post by BRiTNASTY on Aug 26, 2010 13:42:39 GMT -5
LFN(TGIF) is her album moment in that it pretty much encompasses everything that's good about Teenage Dream. It enhances all the things that are likable about Katy, it isn't necessarily the best track off the album but it doesn't really have to be because the song is so likable and plays to all of Katy's strengths. It's also marginally less gimmicky in it's authenticity/sincerity (something Katy is strongly lacking through her single releases of both CG and TD as they sound more calculated with each listen). The only other single release I could look forward too is TGIF personally. The rest (E.T., Peacock, Firework) sound astoundingly less creative and interesting.
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Post by Late Winter on Aug 26, 2010 15:28:28 GMT -5
LFN(TGIF) is her album moment in that it pretty much encompasses everything that's good about Teenage Dream. It enhances all the things that are likable about Katy, it isn't necessarily the best track off the album but it doesn't really have to be because the song is so likable and plays to all of Katy's strengths. It's also marginally less gimmicky in it's authenticity/sincerity (something Katy is strongly lacking through her single releases of both CG and TD as they sound more calculated with each listen). The only other single release I could look forward too is TGIF personally. The rest (E.T., Peacock, Firework) sound astoundingly less creative and interesting. Nice assessment there, Monroe. I think I pretty much agree. Although what do you think of that "Epic Fail" line in the song? I didn't notice that line standing out until I read the Washington Post review blog.washingtonpost.com/clicktrack/2010/08/album_review_katy_perry.htmlThey seem to question the authenticity of the song with that line and think it's an awkward attempt to speak like a teenager And I'm not sure what to think lol I love this comment too about LFN (TGIF)
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Post by BRiTNASTY on Aug 26, 2010 16:06:40 GMT -5
I love the epic fail line because it fits with the songs theme of reliving a fun friday night.
The lyrics are topical with its audience and the story it encompasses.
Epic Fail is a overly used phrase online and I think it was wise of Katy to use some well known internet lingo because it shows she is in tune with her core audience; the teen and young adult set who are no doubt buying the album online of all places.
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Post by Monroe on Aug 27, 2010 1:35:25 GMT -5
Nice assessment there, Monroe. I think I pretty much agree. Although what do you think of that "Epic Fail" line in the song? I didn't notice that line standing out until I read the Washington Post review I agree with this portion of the review: That's because the harder the 25-year-old pop star works to cultivate her image, the more faceless she becomes.I can see how the line could be seen as purposely exploitative, my biggest problem with Katy this era is that I just don't know if she is being sincere or not, if she is being authentic or if she is just becoming the equivalent to Justin Timberlake and just singing about things she has no interest in for the sake of chart dominance. In Justin's case it is so blatantly obvious that he isn't there when he is singing about his material, with Katy it's harder to see because I could totally see this girl saying these lines in an interview, and I could equally see her talking with her song-writers and scribbling with her pen "cool things her niece is saying" and whipping them up into a song. She very easily could just be faking her way through her material and that would effect how much I like her music because I dislike artists who have no passion for the music they make. That's one of the reasons why I hated Madonna's last album because all she did was follow trends you could tell she could careless about. Katy's music has become more and more commercial and her songs have increasingly become less and less intriguing because it feels like there is less and less of her in them. If this is deliberate or not I don't know but I do question where the Katy that made One Of The Boys went because she is no where to be found on Teenage Dream with the small exception of Circle The Drain. What I loved about Katy was her ability to say something in an off the wall manor and turn it around on itself and make it a poppy hook. Now it seems that she is creating poppy refrains with out any real meaning to them, well I couldn't be any less interested in that because there are literally hundreds of people who do the same exact thing.
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Post by DJ 7.0 on Aug 27, 2010 15:30:10 GMT -5
Fantasia, whose previous release bowed with 133k in December 2006 and topped out at 530k. The profile of the American Idol Season Three winner has risen considerably since her suicide attempt two weeks ago—though only the most hardened cynics would consider that a marketing move. In any case, on Tuesday morning, Back to Me was actually outselling Teenage Dream at Wal-Mart, Target and Best Buy—immediately after Fantasia’s appearance on ABC’s Good Morning America, causing shockwaves to ripple around the music business.
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Post by Late Winter on Aug 27, 2010 15:38:00 GMT -5
New trend: #commitsuicide4sales No, but seriously is that from HDD? It's written a little too dramatically. A big pop artist with big promo is outsold by a lesser known artist with less promotion? It's surprising when it happens but causing "shock waves" to ripple the music industry? LOL That's too much
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Post by BRiTNASTY on Aug 27, 2010 15:43:49 GMT -5
HDD also said that more than 50% of Teenage Dream's album sales would come from iTunes and Amazon so it doesn't surprise me.
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