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Post by Late Winter on Aug 27, 2010 15:46:32 GMT -5
I totally forgot about those sales. Which makes that article even more ridiculous
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Post by Late Winter on Aug 27, 2010 16:33:24 GMT -5
Nice assessment there, Monroe. I think I pretty much agree. Although what do you think of that "Epic Fail" line in the song? I didn't notice that line standing out until I read the Washington Post review I agree with this portion of the review: That's because the harder the 25-year-old pop star works to cultivate her image, the more faceless she becomes.I can see how the line could be seen as purposely exploitative, my biggest problem with Katy this era is that I just don't know if she is being sincere or not, if she is being authentic or if she is just becoming the equivalent to Justin Timberlake and just singing about things she has no interest in for the sake of chart dominance. In Justin's case it is so blatantly obvious that he isn't there when he is singing about his material, with Katy it's harder to see because I could totally see this girl saying these lines in an interview, and I could equally see her talking with her song-writers and scribbling with her pen "cool things her niece is saying" and whipping them up into a song. She very easily could just be faking her way through her material and that would effect how much I like her music because I dislike artists who have no passion for the music they make. That's one of the reasons why I hated Madonna's last album because all she did was follow trends you could tell she could careless about. Katy's music has become more and more commercial and her songs have increasingly become less and less intriguing because it feels like there is less and less of her in them. If this is deliberate or not I don't know but I do question where the Katy that made One Of The Boys went because she is no where to be found on Teenage Dream with the small exception of Circle The Drain. What I loved about Katy was her ability to say something in an off the wall manor and turn it around on itself and make it a poppy hook. Now it seems that she is creating poppy refrains with out any real meaning to them, well I couldn't be any less interested in that because there are literally hundreds of people who do the same exact thing. I never got that impression from Justin that it was more about him singing things that didn't interest him for the sake of chart dominance. Which songs did you have in mind? I kind of agree on Madonna, but I think she was able to put enough of a twist on it to make it interesting to me. I think everyone expected her to make generic rhythmic-styled R&B, and 4M was kind of like that, but I was actually impressed with how much of the album wasn't quite like that. It was more "funky" than "rhythmic" imo, and some of the songs even sounded a bit house to me. As for Katy, they have talked her moving deliberating in a more commercial direction musically for her survival on radio. Like they've talked about how they wrote the lyrics of Teenage Dream like about ten times before they were happy on the final version. So I don't think it means that there's necessarily less of her involvement lyrically, but it seems here like the goal is different. And maybe the first album seemed like it had "more" Katy because there were a few songs there that she wrote solely by herself, music and lyrics.
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Post by Monroe on Aug 27, 2010 16:49:52 GMT -5
I never got that impression from Justin that it was more about him singing things that didn't interest him for the sake of chart dominance. Which songs did you have in mind? Justin always sounds like he is insincere in nearly all of his solo recordings. In Justified he sounded like a Michael clone, in Future Sex/Love Sounds he sounded like a Prince reject, etc. There is just something about Timberlake that makes him seem calculated in all of the things he does and there is always very little warmth and personality to him a lot of the time. Perhaps he just rubs me the wrong way but he always sounds pretentious and like he is trying to sell something, like a cheesy car salesman. I never bought the way he completely jumped the pop bandwagon and went straight to R and B/Hip Hop because it was becoming increasingly more popular at the moment. Add in his continual use of his break-up with Britney as fuel for his single choices, videos and gossip fodder and I think that's enough to prove that he is just doing all this stuff for press and to sell. Then there's also gratuitous subject matter that can only be rivaled by the likes of Usher. Cry Me A River, What Goes Around Comes Around, Losing MY Way (which is just ridiculous because how in the world can Justin emphasize with a drug/heroin addict?). Safe to say I just find Justin to be extremely hollow in most of his recordings weather it's him playing the "cad" or him playing the "heart-broken man" a Nick Lachey or a Brain McKnight caliber balladeer he most certainly is not. I think it just comes down to Katy losing her 'bite' for me. She's lost the quality which has made her unique, we really don't need another bubbly pop star, we have enough of them and if Katy can't distinguish herself then really what's the point to it all? Yeah she'll cash the checks but she'll barely be memorable.
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Post by Till Da World Ends [MARK] on Aug 27, 2010 21:10:12 GMT -5
according to HDD's weakend update, Katy is still looking at 200k+ while Fantasia is still 120-130k
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Post by Zack on Aug 27, 2010 23:23:21 GMT -5
(He sticker on the CD says "Featuring the Hit Singles..." And includes CG, TD, Firework and Peacock. She needs to go and ditch Firework and release TGIF 4th and ET 5th. although I'd prefer to not release "Peacock" and release "The One That Got Away" or "Hummingbird Heartbeat" instead. "Peacock" and "Firework" just aren't single worthy, imo, while "Last Friday Night" and "E.T." are epic smashes and are MUST releases.
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Post by kevinkdc on Aug 27, 2010 23:25:55 GMT -5
according to HDD's weakend update, Katy is still looking at 200k+ while Fantasia is still 120-130k Great !!
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Post by Till Da World Ends [MARK] on Aug 27, 2010 23:35:21 GMT -5
i cant wait for TGIF to be a single
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Post by Drag on Aug 27, 2010 23:45:38 GMT -5
I think TGIF is a fun song but I'd rather have the addicting E.T as a single. My favs off the album include: Circle The Drain, E.T, Fireworks, California Gurls.
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Post by kevinkdc on Aug 28, 2010 10:20:17 GMT -5
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Post by kevinkdc on Aug 28, 2010 10:21:35 GMT -5
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Post by kevinkdc on Aug 28, 2010 10:22:04 GMT -5
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Post by Till Da World Ends [MARK] on Aug 28, 2010 11:33:59 GMT -5
i love katy but that Teenage Dream performance
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Post by kevinkdc on Aug 28, 2010 21:43:37 GMT -5
i love katy but that Teenage Dream performance , I know right
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Post by Late Winter on Aug 29, 2010 15:29:34 GMT -5
I'm becoming bored with Katy live. We all know she's not exactly the best live vocalist, but I guess with an album like this, we're going to be seeing a lot more of her, and maybe expecting her to step up her game. I guess there's another parallel where this album mirrors Good Girl Bad, with endless "meh" performances . But at least Rihanna somehow came up with more rockish arrangements of her songs live to bring new life to them. Katy could do that too, but then again it might defeat the purpose of her going more pop if she reverts to the rock stuff.
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Post by Late Winter on Aug 29, 2010 15:56:47 GMT -5
Justin always sounds like he is insincere in nearly all of his solo recordings. In Justified he sounded like a Michael clone, in Future Sex/Love Sounds he sounded like a Prince reject, etc. There is just something about Timberlake that makes him seem calculated in all of the things he does and there is always very little warmth and personality to him a lot of the time. Perhaps he just rubs me the wrong way but he always sounds pretentious and like he is trying to sell something, like a cheesy car salesman. I never bought the way he completely jumped the pop bandwagon and went straight to R and B/Hip Hop because it was becoming increasingly more popular at the moment. Add in his continual use of his break-up with Britney as fuel for his single choices, videos and gossip fodder and I think that's enough to prove that he is just doing all this stuff for press and to sell. Well what direction do you think he should have gone in? A lot of these early pop albums actually had some R&B influences, especially Nsync's debut. Then their next album was much more pop, but they came back to that sound for their 2001 album. And I think all the pop stars who survived from that era did go more urban with Christina and Justin exploring R&B, and Britney exploring Hip-Hop to a lesser extent. Only The BSB completely eradicated any R&B influences and look what happened to them I'll give you Losing My Way. I think the best example of anyone getting second hand embarrassment from listening to a song I don't find Cry Me A River to be contrived though. Maybe a little bit below the belt, but I don't think we can say he wasn't interested in that subject matter for obvious reasons What Goes Around was about his best friend's failed relationship with Elisha Cubert too right? Maybe he sounds a bit more removed from that, because it wasn't his experience exactly, but I think he still sounds more connected because it was his best friend, and not just random person he didn't know. I'm thinking that maybe the quality that made Katy stick out wasn't as distinctive as they would have hoped. I know with you mean with the quirky side of her, and how people used to call her the "American Lily Allen". But then when you have Lady Gaga coming out so soon after her, I think people aren't satisfied with the slightly quirky anymore and want the really bizarre. Musically, I think she was also lacking a true identity and niche for herself. She had a bit more rock cred than most of the other female pop rockers, but musically she was working with the likes of Dr Luke and Max Martin just like the other pop rockers, Avril, Pink, Kelly, etc. Maybe image wise, Pink and Kelly kind of stood out as having a tougher image and Avril had a more punk image, while Katy had a more feminine pop star one. But I guess that wasn't' enough.
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Post by BRiTNASTY on Sept 1, 2010 14:24:00 GMT -5
LMFAO
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Post by - `J0EL™ on Sept 1, 2010 17:05:55 GMT -5
LMAO! ;D
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Post by kevinkdc on Sept 1, 2010 18:28:27 GMT -5
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Post by Bri.I.Am on Sept 1, 2010 18:53:51 GMT -5
I'm just gonna say that FS/LS is one of the best albums of the 00s decade HANDS down.
BUT Katy's album..idk how i feel about it.. "The One That Got Away" and "Circle the Drain" were the only songs that really stood out to me.
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Post by kevinkdc on Sept 1, 2010 19:56:50 GMT -5
I'm just gonna say that FS/LS is one of the best albums of the 00s decade HANDS down. BUT Katy's album..idk how i feel about it.. "The One That Got Away" and "Circle the Drain" were the only songs that really stood out to me. They stood out for you , those songs are considered the worst of the album lol
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Post by Till Da World Ends [MARK] on Sept 1, 2010 20:36:07 GMT -5
yea i dont really like circle the drain. TOTGA is OK.
Last Friday Night really stood out to me. As did Firework and of course Teenage Dream
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Post by Late Winter on Sept 2, 2010 11:10:57 GMT -5
To this opened with 192K? I guess that's what we expected.
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Post by Billy Uranus on Sept 2, 2010 12:55:43 GMT -5
That's it?
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Post by Late Winter on Sept 2, 2010 13:05:48 GMT -5
Yeah, she's not exactly an albums artist.
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Post by Billy Uranus on Sept 2, 2010 20:36:38 GMT -5
In theory, if you've got the biggest hit of the summer and a big follow-up, you should be dropping at least 350K, even in the digital era.
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