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Post by Atlantaboy on Sept 25, 2010 22:12:42 GMT -5
My Alt. station keeps playing old INXS tracks, like Never Tear Us Apart and New Sensation INXS had 9 top 10 hits on the Alt chart, including a #1, and charted right until '97. Is playing INXS on Alt in 2010 a little odd? Yes. Is the idea behind playing them weird? Not at all. If there were a "Modern Rock Tracks" chart back in the 70s, I'm sure Pink Floyd and Ozzy Osbourne would've been on them too - it just doesn't seem to fit with Alt. playlist today
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Post by Late Winter on Sept 25, 2010 22:29:46 GMT -5
What would have been on a Mainstream Rock Tracks chart back then?
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Post by Atlantaboy on Sept 25, 2010 22:56:42 GMT -5
This is completely outta left field...
Led Zeppelin, Rolling Stones, Aerosmith - 70s Mainstream Rock (since the sound was based on earlier 60s rock) Pink Floyd, The Who - 70s Modern Rock (since the sound was innovative and completely new)
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Post by Billy Uranus on Sept 26, 2010 1:34:34 GMT -5
^Good point, man. I never thought about it that way. Also stuff like Ramones would definitely get played imo.
From what I know, the '70s were defined by "Album Oriented Rock" stations. I'm pretty sure that's why it didn't have its own chart back then. Active rock wasn't around until the late '80s, and didn't rise to prominence until sometime in the '90s.
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Post by Pipa on Sept 26, 2010 10:15:17 GMT -5
There's no way Ozzy would've charted on an Alt chart back then. Heck, even Metallica wasn't charting with The Black Album back then.
The best way to answer a question like this is to look back at KROQ's and CFNY's station playlists in the early 80s, and what they played as golds.
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Post by Atlantaboy on Sept 26, 2010 11:33:01 GMT -5
The best way to answer a question like this is to look back at KROQ's and CFNY's station playlists in the early 80s, and what they played as golds. Hey I actually found the KROQ year-end top tracks from 1980...yeah, not sure why I included Ozzy in there (I think you're right about the Metallica not charting thing), but Pink Floyd and the Ramones definitely... KROQ Top 30 Songs of 1980, from www.radiohitlist,com/KROQ/KROQ-1980.htm 1. DEVO Whip It 2. PRETENDERS The Wait 3. TOM PETTY Refugee 4. ROLLING STONES She's So Cold 5. B-52'S Give Me Back My Man 6. PINK FLOYD Another Brick In The Wall, Part II 7. CARS Touch And Go 8. POLICE Do Do Do De Da Da Da 9. TALKING HEADS Once In A Lifetime 10. CLASH Train In Vain 11. OINGO BOINGO Only A Lad 12. JOHN LENNON Cleanup Time 13. AC/DC What You Do For Money Honey 14. VAPORS Turning Japanese 15. DEAD KENNEDYS Holiday In Cambodia 16. X Los Angeles 17. DEVO Freedom Of Choice 18. ROMANTICS What I Like About You 19. PRETENDERS Mystery Achievement 20. TOM PETTY Don't Do Me Like That 21. VAN HALEN And The Cradle Will Rock 22. QUEEN Another One Bites The Dust 23. BOB SEGER Her Strut 24. DAVID BOWIE Ashes To Ashes 25. PETER GABRIEL Games Without Frontiers 26. ROLLING STONES Let Me Go 27. PINK FLOYD Comfortably Numb 28. CARS Up And Down 29. GARY NUMAN Cars 30. ALICE COOPER Clones The Ramones had the #9 song of 1981 on KROQ's year-end chart 9. RAMONES We Want The Airwaves
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Post by Pipa on Sept 26, 2010 11:37:07 GMT -5
I'm shocked to see AC/DC so high on there. They're like the antithesis of modern rock, LOL!
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Post by Atlantaboy on Sept 26, 2010 11:54:54 GMT -5
Yeah - agreed - I also completely don't understand how Billboard had a Modern Rock Tracks chart in 1988 - it must've been based on 5 stations, if there were even that many (unless they used college radio I guess)
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Post by Late Winter on Sept 26, 2010 19:25:20 GMT -5
What about the more "pop rock" stuff? It seems like that got more attention on Mainstream Rock during the 80s and then more attention in Alt in the 90s. And how about the 60s? LOL How would modern and mainstream rock look back then?
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Post by Pipa on Sept 26, 2010 19:29:25 GMT -5
And how about the 60s? LOL How would modern and mainstream rock look back then? Bands like David Bowie and The Stooges would've been played on modern, I suppose. Mainstream would've been like, The Beatles and Cream, I'm guessing. I dunno.
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Post by Billy Uranus on Sept 26, 2010 22:05:22 GMT -5
Nice list, Atlantaboy. Only you could have dug that up. ;D And you're right, LW. I think the rise of Active stations was responsible for that chart becoming less and less poppy. It's funny to think that most of the favorites from the '80s didn't even get played much.
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Post by Late Winter on Sept 26, 2010 22:12:23 GMT -5
And how about the 60s? LOL How would modern and mainstream rock look back then? Bands like David Bowie and The Stooges would've been played on modern, I suppose. Mainstream would've been like, The Beatles and Cream, I'm guessing. I dunno. Let's go back even further. How about the 50s?
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Post by Pipa on Sept 26, 2010 22:14:23 GMT -5
Let's go back even further. How about the 50s? #35tnb# Chuck Berry and Little Richard FTW! Nothing would've been more Alternative back in the 50s than black artists, sadly.
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Post by Billy Uranus on Sept 26, 2010 22:15:30 GMT -5
What did rock DJs do in the '50s? Not talk about anything mildly entertaining?
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Post by Atlantaboy on Sept 26, 2010 23:29:02 GMT -5
Bands like David Bowie and The Stooges would've been played on modern, I suppose. Mainstream would've been like, The Beatles and Cream, I'm guessing. I dunno. Let's go back even further. How about the 50s? IMO David Bowie, The Who, and PInk Floyd started Modern Rock...don't think you can trace Alternative back farther than that Back to the 2000s though, I think it's really weird that Billboard calls Active "Mainstream Rock" - to me there's nothing mainstream about Avenged Sevenfold - the kind of Mainstream Rock that was played on AOR in the 70s and 80s really has just split up between Triple A, Hot AC, Classic Rock, and those few rural all-purpose Rock stations that are still out there.
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Post by Atlantaboy on Sept 26, 2010 23:34:24 GMT -5
What did rock DJs do in the '50s? Not talk about anything mildly entertaining? D. J.'s in the 50s talked about Elvis and about rounding up Commies
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Post by Billy Uranus on Sept 27, 2010 20:27:14 GMT -5
Back to the 2000s though, I think it's really weird that Billboard calls Active "Mainstream Rock" - to me there's nothing mainstream about Avenged Sevenfold - the kind of Mainstream Rock that was played on AOR in the 70s and 80s really has just split up between Triple A, Hot AC, Classic Rock, and those few rural all-purpose Rock stations that are still out there. I agree that Avenged Sevenfold isn't mainstream, nor are most of the bands that are charting there big time (except maybe Shinedown and Nickelback). One thing though, I was almost positive that those all-purpose Rock stations were also counted toward's Billboard's Mainstream Rock chart. Because if they're not, then BDS must be really different than mediabase. The last I heard, there were 26 such Rock stations on the Mediabase panel. What did rock DJs do in the '50s? Not talk about anything mildly entertaining? D. J.'s in the 50s talked about Elvis and about rounding up Commies That made my day, man. That makes me want to go blacklist some people.
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Post by Atlantaboy on Sept 27, 2010 22:03:32 GMT -5
Back to the 2000s though, I think it's really weird that Billboard calls Active "Mainstream Rock" - to me there's nothing mainstream about Avenged Sevenfold - the kind of Mainstream Rock that was played on AOR in the 70s and 80s really has just split up between Triple A, Hot AC, Classic Rock, and those few rural all-purpose Rock stations that are still out there. I agree that Avenged Sevenfold isn't mainstream, nor are most of the bands that are charting there big time (except maybe Shinedown and Nickelback). One thing though, I was almost positive that those all-purpose Rock stations were also counted toward's Billboard's Mainstream Rock chart. Because if they're not, then BDS must be really different than mediabase. The last I heard, there were 26 such Rock stations on the Mediabase panel. Alright, this got kinda confusing when I looked it up... Mediabase has three categories for Rock stations - Active Rock, Alternative Rock, and Mainstream Rock - so on Mediabase, Active stations aren't considered Mainstream Rock - only those "classic and current rock" stations count as mainstream - not sure how many there are, but the highest number of mainstream rock stations any song is being played on is 22 - also think these stations are more common in rural areas, so I bet there's a lot more out there that don't report to Mediabase cause their market is so small Billboard's Mainstream Rock chart is basically an Active Rock chart - not sure if they include the all-purpose Rock stations in that also - and not sure how to find out Anyway, what Mediabase calls "Mainstream Rock" is completely different than what Billboard calls "Mainstream Rock" And yeah lol about the Commie thing ;D
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Post by Billy Uranus on Sept 27, 2010 22:56:52 GMT -5
Good information, man. Those stations that Mediabase lists as "Mainstream Rock" are usually as close as you can get to classic rock. I remember seeing on that spun their top songs just 12 times in week. That's barely twice a day. They also play lighter classic rock that Active won't play (Active will play Led Zeppelin, but not Bruce Springstein).
Mainstream Rock stations do seem to be more common in rural areas. I guess small markets can't justify having both an Active and Classic Rock station in the same town. I would imagine it's the same way with Hot AC and AC. One weird case (not sure if it's still this way or not) would be Norfolk, VA. According to this list I have (which isn't all valid...I got it from PMB) says that Norfolk has two Mainstream Rocks, an Active and an Alternative. I believe one of those Mainstream Rock stations was one of the ones playing songs 12 times a week, though.
I also don't know how to find out what is included and not included for Billboard. I just know the #1s tend to be different from time to time, especially with heavier music that those "Mainstream" stations won't play as much.
And for the original topic of this thread...which of these is more weird for an Alternative station to play do you think?
AC/DC - Thunderstruck Johnny Cash - Hurt
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Post by Late Winter on Sept 28, 2010 13:29:10 GMT -5
That's what KP and I kept discussing about and getting confuse. Cause Alt is definitely Modern Rock. But Billboard and Mediabase's Active Rock/Mainstream Rock seemed to be reversed or something And I hope DJs in the 50s would have played this nonstop
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Post by Atlantaboy on Sept 28, 2010 16:07:50 GMT -5
One weird case (not sure if it's still this way or not) would be Norfolk, VA. According to this list I have (which isn't all valid...I got it from PMB) says that Norfolk has two Mainstream Rocks, an Active and an Alternative. I believe one of those Mainstream Rock stations was one of the ones playing songs 12 times a week, though. I also don't know how to find out what is included and not included for Billboard. I just know the #1s tend to be different from time to time, especially with heavier music that those "Mainstream" stations won't play as much. And for the original topic of this thread...which of these is more weird for an Alternative station to play do you think? AC/DC - Thunderstruck Johnny Cash - Hurt IMO AC/DC is a stranger choice - I remember my Alt. playing Hurt by Johnny Cash when it came out - at least it's a remake of an Alt. song According to Arbitron, the only rock station Norfolk has is an Alternative (no other Rock stations show up anywhere in its ratings) - not sure why the freaks at PMB posted about it having four rock stations - although it'd be pretty cool to have that many
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Post by Billy Uranus on Sept 28, 2010 19:53:43 GMT -5
^Thanks for clearing that up, man. I had no idea how to know if that list was valid or not, but turns out it was way wrong. Those PMB guys really are freaks, then. ;D I never posted the list here because I've found many other errors on it.
And yeah, I guess being a remake of Nine Inch Nails makes it okay. Just a few minutes ago, my Alt station played "Mother" by Danzig. Another weird choice imo. I thought it was a Rock-only hit from the late '80s....but DJ taught me that it apparently crossed over to other formats in the early '90s (1993 I think).
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Post by Pipa on Sept 28, 2010 20:35:32 GMT -5
I always thought seeing "Cult of Personality" on playlists was weird, but Living Color had some Alt hits back in the day.
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Post by Billy Uranus on Sept 28, 2010 21:07:16 GMT -5
I thought it was weird too...but my station plays it as well as many others. It just fits in more on Active, if you ask me.
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Post by Billy Uranus on Sept 29, 2010 20:05:10 GMT -5
My station took this thread to a whole new level today.
Black Sabbath - War Pigs
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