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Post by BRiTNASTY on Jun 8, 2013 15:14:32 GMT -5
Next single. Now THIS is a Macklemore song I can get behind. Loved it the first time I heard it.
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Post by Pipa on Jun 8, 2013 21:10:31 GMT -5
I've been listening to and charting this for quite some time, but it really is an amazing song. Finally, rap with a message.
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Post by Billy Uranus on Jun 19, 2013 0:18:39 GMT -5
I'm usually not a fan of songs where the guy is talking rather than rapping or singing, and that applies here. I've been listening to and charting this for quite some time, but it really is an amazing song. Finally, rap with a message. Where have you been for the last 30 years? Ignoring rap?
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Post by Drag on Jun 19, 2013 0:23:12 GMT -5
Meh, I'll stick to "Born This Way".
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Post by Pipa on Jun 19, 2013 11:21:45 GMT -5
I'm usually not a fan of songs where the guy is talking rather than rapping or singing, and that applies here. I've been listening to and charting this for quite some time, but it really is an amazing song. Finally, rap with a message. Where have you been for the last 30 years? Ignoring rap? Let me rephrase that. Finally, modern rap with a message.
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Post by Billy Uranus on Jun 19, 2013 12:53:12 GMT -5
So good that he gets to compare it to MLK, right? Now ain't that some ridiculous crap that only a white rapper would come up with.
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Post by Pipa on Jun 19, 2013 13:46:40 GMT -5
So good that he gets to compare it to MLK, right? Now ain't that some ridiculous crap that only a white rapper would come up with. He only references him. He doesn't compare himself to him at all.
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Post by Billy Uranus on Jun 19, 2013 13:52:26 GMT -5
I know he's not comparing himself to him, but the video was awfully suggestive in that he's comparing his message/struggle to that of MLK. Maybe I'm just reading too far into it though.
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Post by Pipa on Jun 19, 2013 13:54:45 GMT -5
I know he's not comparing himself to him, but the video was awfully suggestive in that he's comparing his message/struggle to that of MLK. Maybe I'm just reading too far into it though. Well, some of your actions in the past hardly make you qualified to judge his method of activism, but I'm not holding it against you.
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Post by Billy Uranus on Jun 19, 2013 14:08:05 GMT -5
What exactly do you mean by that? I know I'm not qualified, but I want to know.
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Post by Pipa on Jun 19, 2013 14:11:24 GMT -5
What exactly do you mean by that? I know I'm not qualified, but I want to know. Why were you banned from Pulse?
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Post by Billy Uranus on Jun 19, 2013 14:18:21 GMT -5
What exactly do you mean by that? I know I'm not qualified, but I want to know. Why were you banned from Pulse? You know why. But why does something I said when I was 16 make me unqualified to have an opinion when I'm 22?
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Post by Pipa on Jun 19, 2013 14:37:39 GMT -5
Why were you banned from Pulse? You know why. But why does something I said when I was 16 make me unqualified to have an opinion when I'm 22? No, it doesn't. I even mentioned that. I know you've changed since then.
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Post by BRiTNASTY on Jun 19, 2013 18:46:45 GMT -5
Meh, I'll stick to "Born This Way". And with this quote, I am constantly reminded that the generation under me, aka the people 16-21 right now, are horribly misguided when it comes to gay rights. Nothing with you Drag, just a general thought. I know he's not comparing himself to him, but the video was awfully suggestive in that he's comparing his message/struggle to that of MLK. Maybe I'm just reading too far into it though. What? His "message/struggle" is one that he believes that LGBT people should have the same rights as any other person who isn't LGBT. Gay rights, while not as extreme as the Civil Rights Movement of the 1950s and 1960s, is a modern day civil rights movement in which one group of people are constantly discriminated on a day to day basis. I commend Macklemore, a white rapper, for taking a genuine stance on the topic instead of running around screaming "No Homo" and calling people f****ts on songs and then saying ~they weren't used in an offensive manner~ a la Lil Wayne and more recently, J. Cole on his recent album.
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Post by Billy Uranus on Jun 19, 2013 19:38:56 GMT -5
Meh, I'll stick to "Born This Way". And with this quote, I am constantly reminded that the generation under me, aka the people 16-21 right now, are horribly misguided when it comes to gay rights. Nothing with you Drag, just a general thought. That sounds unfair to me. How does music taste reflect being misguided? The songs essentially have the same message, so I don't see how liking one can be cool and another one shows being misguided. I know he's not comparing himself to him, but the video was awfully suggestive in that he's comparing his message/struggle to that of MLK. Maybe I'm just reading too far into it though. What? His "message/struggle" is one that he believes that LGBT people should have the same rights as any other person who isn't LGBT. Gay rights, while not as extreme as the Civil Rights Movement of the 1950s and 1960s, is a modern day civil rights movement in which one group of people are constantly discriminated on a day to day basis. I commend Macklemore, a white rapper, for taking a genuine stance on the topic instead of running around screaming "No Homo" and calling people f****ts on songs and then saying ~they weren't used in an offensive manner~ a la Lil Wayne and more recently, J. Cole on his recent album.[/quote] My point is that it was inappropriate of him to use MLK in that context. If his issue is LGBT rights, this video fails as miserably as Glee. If his issue is with homophobic rappers, the only way you would even know is if you were paying attention to lyrics. The video failed to even address that issue. In the past I have joked that this guy is an embarrassment to white people, but this time I'm serious.
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Post by Pipa on Jun 19, 2013 21:35:15 GMT -5
If his issue is with homophobic rappers, the only way you would even know is if you were paying attention to lyrics. The video failed to even address that issue. Well the lyrics really do grab your attention. It's not like the beat is prominent enough that you can just ignore the lyrics. In the past I have joked that this guy is an embarrassment to white people, but this time I'm serious. If you were saying this after "Thrift Shop" I'd agree, but after listening to this and "Wing$" I can't say I do.
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Post by Billy Uranus on Jun 19, 2013 22:42:41 GMT -5
If you were saying this after "Thrift Shop" I'd agree, but after listening to this and "Wing$" I can't say I do. That was when I originally said it lol.
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Post by Parker on Jun 20, 2013 16:17:49 GMT -5
dont like his other tracks but love this
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Post by BRiTNASTY on Jun 20, 2013 19:00:19 GMT -5
And for my next rant, I will start here" And with this quote, I am constantly reminded that the generation under me, aka the people 16-21 right now, are horribly misguided when it comes to gay rights. Nothing with you Drag, just a general thought. That sounds unfair to me. How does music taste reflect being misguided? The songs essentially have the same message, so I don't see how liking one can be cool and another one shows being misguided. I know you and I have disagreed on this topic before, but I have always stood on the ground that I find the current crop of popstars pandering to the gay community and the Gay Rights Issues to be fake and contrived. Lady Gaga to me is not as genuine as people believe she is, and I find more issues with the Born This Way song as not being genuine and merely a contrived cash in in order to seem socially aware, against the republican grain of thinking and to once again, be seen as a savior to gay youth. I say, I find the generation under me to be misguided, only because 99% do not understand the history of gay rights and true gay rights activists compared to the ones we have today, visible because of celebrity but only because after 60 years of discrimination are we finally seeing the LGBTQI community being accepted by the public. Now I didn't grow up in the 50's or the 60's to experience the Stonewall Riots or live in that time, but I understand and know what happened in those days and why those people who were spawned out of those era's know why Gaga is fake and contrived, but that is a whole other issue I can tackle another day. Getting back to why I don't find Gaga to be the gay rights savior she is still lauded as, is because I grew up with true gay rights activists who didn't feel the need to latch on the subject when it was brought back into the mainstream. Artists like Madonna, Cher and, Cyndi Lauper have been outspoken about gay right since their debuts on the scene, have written numerous songs about social issues for every album and continue to do so. True gay rights activists. Now I know Lady Gaga hasn't been around since the 70s and 80s and is only 2 albums (about to be 3) into her career, but my issue still lies in with how genuine she is. Prior to her career taking off, there are pictures where she has *** written on her forehead from her club days and a video did circulate where she used 'tranny' as an objectifying insult. Now for someone who claims they've been an LGBT rights activist since their teens, I find it hard to believe someone in their 20s would say these things, but then again I am not Gaga. To wrap it up, I find that a lot of people in my generation and younger generations won't be educated on the true gay rights issues and the history of those issues because while there is still discrimination on a daily basis, it's nowhere what it was in the 50s and upon until the early 2000's. Secondly, I will address the following quotes: I know he's not comparing himself to him, but the video was awfully suggestive in that he's comparing his message/struggle to that of MLK. Maybe I'm just reading too far into it though. What? His "message/struggle" is one that he believes that LGBT people should have the same rights as any other person who isn't LGBT. Gay rights, while not as extreme as the Civil Rights Movement of the 1950s and 1960s, is a modern day civil rights movement in which one group of people are constantly discriminated on a day to day basis. I commend Macklemore, a white rapper, for taking a genuine stance on the topic instead of running around screaming "No Homo" and calling people f****ts on songs and then saying ~they weren't used in an offensive manner~ a la Lil Wayne and more recently, J. Cole on his recent album.[/quote] My point is that it was inappropriate of him to use MLK in that context. If his issue is LGBT rights, this video fails as miserably as Glee. If his issue is with homophobic rappers, the only way you would even know is if you were paying attention to lyrics. The video failed to even address that issue. In the past I have joked that this guy is an embarrassment to white people, but this time I'm serious. [/quote] So good that he gets to compare it to MLK, right? Now ain't that some ridiculous crap that only a white rapper would come up with. I'll start with saying I don't feel like we are watching the same music video, and based on your prior hate of "Thrift Shop" and "Can't Hold Us", you may have gone into this song/music video looking for things to hate rather than to look at the bigger picture. First, I'll say he does not compare himself to MLK even once in this music video. He references the LGBT rights struggle and compares it to the Civil Rights movement of the 50s and only shows a clip of MLK and other clips from the Civil Rights movement while rapping The same fight that led people to walk outs and sit ins/It's human rights for everybody, there is no difference!. Secondly, Macklemore himself doesn't have a struggle and this is where I come in thinking that you didn't pay attention to the lyrics, but looked for a reason to hate the song and landed on the "OH HE'S COMPARING HIMSELF TO MLK AND THE ISSUE TO HIM TO". And that my friend is far from the truth. The song itself is rooted in that Macklemore once thought he was gay as he was younger because he grew up with an uncle who was gay and they liked a lot of the same things. As he grew up, and he talks about this in the song, he knows he's not gay but that gay people are just like regular people, the only difference is that gay people love differently. He talks about growing up with the ideology that 99% of the bible belt feels, "THE BIBLE SAYS IT IS A SIN SO IT IS A SIN", but instead that he pushed against it because why should we be stuck in the past or a book written 3500 years ago. He talks about Hip-Hop, the genre he is apart of as a rapper, hating gay people and how everyone throws around No Homo and f****t as an insult, which belittles and demeans. The song itself, is going to reach the masses, and deliver a message that the Hip Hop community needs to embrass but sadly won't. Also, I find the music video to be completely straightforward and to fit the song perfectly. A tale of a gay male having to grow up in a society where he isn't accepted, not by peers (as referenced by the spin the bottle game) or by his parents (referenced in the dinner scene). Scenes of the young male going to church (while Macklemore references living by a book written almost 4000 years ago), scenes of the young male fighting with his girlfriend for not wanting to be ~closer~ because he has yet to accept himself. IDK, I just find Macklemore and this song to be perfection and for being able to reach the masses to continue to spread the message of Love and Equality. I'll lastly touch on "Macklemore ruining hip hop" and other sentiments. "Thrift Shop" was a kitschy novelty song that broke him into the market. "Can't Hold Us" was annoying but I'll bop to it if I have to. I find the sentiments of Macklemore ~ruining the genre~ to be asinine and hilarious when we applaud Eminem who wrote an entire album about wanting to rape and kill his wife. I can't get behind stupid songs like "Ass Like That" or "Crack a Bottle" because much like Thrift Shop and Can't Hold Us, they're dumbass novelty party songs. Until Eminem steps out of the box and writes about something out of the box and addressing social issues, get back to me. Macklemore is a socially conscious rapper and isn't afraid to rap about important issues and support the gay community or go against bullying/discrimination in a way that seems genuine and fully thought out. Pipa referenced "Wings", and I'll agree, the song is inspirational, minus the stupid ass reference to Jordans and other shoes, but the idea behind them is clever and well rounded. And with that, rant over.
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Post by Pipa on Jun 20, 2013 21:04:29 GMT -5
And now to lighten the mood, here's "Thrift Shop" has sung by Kidz Bop:
Just to remind you of who's truly ruining rap music.
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Post by Billy Uranus on Jun 21, 2013 0:10:28 GMT -5
^I made it halfway through. That's gotta count for something. I know you and I have disagreed on this topic before, but I have always stood on the ground that I find the current crop of popstars pandering to the gay community and the Gay Rights Issues to be fake and contrived. Lady Gaga to me is not as genuine as people believe she is, and I find more issues with the Born This Way song as not being genuine and merely a contrived cash in in order to seem socially aware, against the republican grain of thinking and to once again, be seen as a savior to gay youth. I say, I find the generation under me to be misguided, only because 99% do not understand the history of gay rights and true gay rights activists compared to the ones we have today, visible because of celebrity but only because after 60 years of discrimination are we finally seeing the LGBTQI community being accepted by the public. Now I didn't grow up in the 50's or the 60's to experience the Stonewall Riots or live in that time, but I understand and know what happened in those days and why those people who were spawned out of those era's know why Gaga is fake and contrived, but that is a whole other issue I can tackle another day. Getting back to why I don't find Gaga to be the gay rights savior she is still lauded as, is because I grew up with true gay rights activists who didn't feel the need to latch on the subject when it was brought back into the mainstream. Artists like Madonna, Cher and, Cyndi Lauper have been outspoken about gay right since their debuts on the scene, have written numerous songs about social issues for every album and continue to do so. True gay rights activists. Now I know Lady Gaga hasn't been around since the 70s and 80s and is only 2 albums (about to be 3) into her career, but my issue still lies in with how genuine she is. Prior to her career taking off, there are pictures where she has *** written on her forehead from her club days and a video did circulate where she used 'tranny' as an objectifying insult. Now for someone who claims they've been an LGBT rights activist since their teens, I find it hard to believe someone in their 20s would say these things, but then again I am not Gaga. To wrap it up, I find that a lot of people in my generation and younger generations won't be educated on the true gay rights issues and the history of those issues because while there is still discrimination on a daily basis, it's nowhere what it was in the 50s and upon until the early 2000's. I respect your opinion here and I will admit that this is something I don't know much about. I personally find "Born This Way" to be a laid back yet progressive song, sticking up for the LGBT community without feeding into the conservative idea that the LGBT community has an "agenda." Maybe it's just me over-analyzing things, but I find that shows like Glee and the video for this song do just that: they make a spectacle out of that community. Instead of "same," they preach "same, but different." But like I said, you are FAR more educated and knowledgeable than I am in this field so I will step aside and assume that you are right. I'll start with saying I don't feel like we are watching the same music video, and based on your prior hate of "Thrift Shop" and "Can't Hold Us", you may have gone into this song/music video looking for things to hate rather than to look at the bigger picture. Maybe so. I can't remember any artist who has inspired so much disgust in my bones as Macklemore. First, I'll say he does not compare himself to MLK even once in this music video. He references the LGBT rights struggle and compares it to the Civil Rights movement of the 50s and only shows a clip of MLK and other clips from the Civil Rights movement while rapping The same fight that led people to walk outs and sit ins/It's human rights for everybody, there is no difference!. Secondly, Macklemore himself doesn't have a struggle and this is where I come in thinking that you didn't pay attention to the lyrics, but looked for a reason to hate the song and landed on the "OH HE'S COMPARING HIMSELF TO MLK AND THE ISSUE TO HIM TO". And that my friend is far from the truth. "Only" showing that clip is still showing that clip, and showing it between his stuff is sending a subliminal message to an audience that will easily buy into what he is trying to do. How do we know that MLK would support Macklemore's cause? We don't, because he has been dead for a long time. How do we know that MLK would be comfortable with comparing the current struggle of gays in America to that of blacks in the old days (which included things like being power hosed in the streets by law enforcement)? Again, maybe I'm reading too far into things (I often do) but this was what went through my mind when I saw that part of the video. The song itself is rooted in that Macklemore once thought he was gay as he was younger because he grew up with an uncle who was gay and they liked a lot of the same things. As he grew up, and he talks about this in the song, he knows he's not gay but that gay people are just like regular people, the only difference is that gay people love differently. He talks about growing up with the ideology that 99% of the bible belt feels, "THE BIBLE SAYS IT IS A SIN SO IT IS A SIN", but instead that he pushed against it because why should we be stuck in the past or a book written 3500 years ago. He talks about Hip-Hop, the genre he is apart of as a rapper, hating gay people and how everyone throws around No Homo and f****t as an insult, which belittles and demeans. The song itself, is going to reach the masses, and deliver a message that the Hip Hop community needs to embrass but sadly won't. Also, I find the music video to be completely straightforward and to fit the song perfectly. A tale of a gay male having to grow up in a society where he isn't accepted, not by peers (as referenced by the spin the bottle game) or by his parents (referenced in the dinner scene). Scenes of the young male going to church (while Macklemore references living by a book written almost 4000 years ago), scenes of the young male fighting with his girlfriend for not wanting to be ~closer~ because he has yet to accept himself. IDK, I just find Macklemore and this song to be perfection and for being able to reach the masses to continue to spread the message of Love and Equality. This is another thing I'll assume you are right about. I'll lastly touch on "Macklemore ruining hip hop" and other sentiments. "Thrift Shop" was a kitschy novelty song that broke him into the market. "Can't Hold Us" was annoying but I'll bop to it if I have to. I find the sentiments of Macklemore ~ruining the genre~ to be asinine and hilarious when we applaud Eminem who wrote an entire album about wanting to rape and kill his wife. I can't get behind stupid songs like "Ass Like That" or "Crack a Bottle" because much like Thrift Shop and Can't Hold Us, they're dumbass novelty party songs. Until Eminem steps out of the box and writes about something out of the box and addressing social issues, get back to me. Macklemore is a socially conscious rapper and isn't afraid to rap about important issues and support the gay community or go against bullying/discrimination in a way that seems genuine and fully thought out. Pipa referenced "Wings", and I'll agree, the song is inspirational, minus the stupid ass reference to Jordans and other shoes, but the idea behind them is clever and well rounded. And with that, rant over. Are we really going to mention this guy in same sentence as Eminem? Eminem took rap to new heights. He was the first (and only) white rapper that is respectable and can be taken seriously. While some accused him of being a modern-day Elvis (stealing black music), I thought he did a good job of bridging gaps between genres and fans. Have his recent albums been crappy? Yes, in my opinion they have. But that doesn't change the fact that he had some of the most memorable albums in hip hop history. Eminem shouldn't have to "step out of the box" to make you happy, just like Alternative radio shouldn't have to play Godsmack to make me happy. Eminem does what he does, and I'm guessing he'd rather be a good rapper with controversial lyrics than "socially conscious."
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Post by Nick on Jun 21, 2013 16:17:00 GMT -5
Jeez...
But this one does nothing for me, anyway.
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