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Post by Nick on Nov 22, 2012 6:06:50 GMT -5
I can't believe it stopped Gangnam Style from going to CAN pop #1 from #2, and by 100s of spins. And out of #1 on the US Hot 100.
And thanks, Pipa lol.
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Post by Parker on Nov 22, 2012 21:46:38 GMT -5
I didn't love it at first but now that I've heard it a few times I do kinda like it I just think its bad that the other members aren't in their past two videos which have been huge..btw Adam is looking freaking hot as usual.
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Post by Billy Uranus on Nov 23, 2012 0:42:05 GMT -5
I think maybe the whole idea that "sex sells" has Adam being the star of every video with the rest of the band being shoved aside. It's no different than Karmin videos only featuring their female member much of the time.
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Post by Robbie on Nov 23, 2012 3:02:28 GMT -5
I honestly don't get the hate. I will take this over "Gangnam Style" any day.
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Post by Billy Uranus on Nov 23, 2012 3:13:34 GMT -5
^I don't think a lot of the concerns raised on this forum are not necessarily hating the song. I think it has more to do with the fact that "Gangnam Style" is a huge hit...the song is everywhere, people are doing the dance and it may have even started a K-Pop movement here in the US. It feels like a #1 hit. I have nothing against "One More Night," but it hasn't been nearly as big over the past two months.
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Post by Parker on Nov 23, 2012 12:04:47 GMT -5
It's because of Billboards new system on the top 100 which I HATE, it should just be sales that count, it's so so stupid
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Post by Billy Uranus on Nov 24, 2012 0:02:28 GMT -5
^Why do you say that?
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Post by Parker on Nov 24, 2012 14:00:58 GMT -5
Cause charts should just be based on sales not views or whatever else they've made it now, makes it impossible for some songs to get to No.1
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Post by Nick on Nov 24, 2012 16:44:19 GMT -5
There's a digital chart, though.
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Post by Parker on Nov 24, 2012 16:45:21 GMT -5
Yeah but the Hot100 is like the main biggest chart, should just be sales, can't remember what the 'system' is now, isnt like sales, streaming and something else?
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Post by BRiTNASTY on Nov 24, 2012 20:33:23 GMT -5
Parker wants it like the UK Official Chart which is understandable tbh but its also a different system from how the US works.
I prefer the UK system but the UK radio to sale format is a bit out of whack IMO.
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Post by Parker on Nov 25, 2012 0:02:50 GMT -5
Yeah I do, well thats how it used to be anyway? They changed it recently like in the last year I think, what do u mean about UK radio?
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Post by Billy Uranus on Nov 25, 2012 0:57:30 GMT -5
I'm as bias as it gets, but I care much more about airplay than sales. A song being played on the radio is heard by thousands of people at a time....a song downloaded to someone's iPod is only heard by them. That's the way I look at it, at least.
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Post by BRiTNASTY on Nov 25, 2012 9:43:45 GMT -5
Yeah I do, well thats how it used to be anyway? They changed it recently like in the last year I think, what do u mean about UK radio? I don't like how in the UK, the song is only on air for 6 weeks before it goes on sale on iTunes/HMV/etc and after its charted, radio drops the plays as the artist moves onto another single. I personally don't think 6 weeks is long enough to gauge a smash when it takes Radio1 almost 2 weeks to even C-List a song. I prefer Capital FM now, as they seem to be more on the ball as of late. I understand then 6 weeks from onair to on sale is tried and true, but I feel like it limits the song and the artists ability to have a huge smash. I feel like US radio lets a song grow at a longer rate, unless you're a big artist then it explodes, but songs take 2-3 months To peak, not 1.
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Post by Nick on Nov 25, 2012 15:34:13 GMT -5
I'm as bias as it gets, but I care much more about airplay than sales. A song being played on the radio is heard by thousands of people at a time....a song downloaded to someone's iPod is only heard by them. That's the way I look at it, at least. I disagree. I can open a station and play whatever shitty song I want 50 times a week. Downloading/buying a song means that it is actually liked by people. And those thousands of people hearing it will buy it if they like it so much. There should really be a pirate chart, though...
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Post by BRiTNASTY on Nov 25, 2012 15:48:19 GMT -5
I think Last.fm needs to change their stat accumulation and whatnot because with 2.5 million users, I'm pretty sure Last.FM could gauge the real popularity. But its charts always lean to the hardcore hipster.
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Post by Pipa on Nov 25, 2012 16:40:25 GMT -5
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Post by Parker on Nov 25, 2012 18:03:54 GMT -5
I'm as bias as it gets, but I care much more about airplay than sales. A song being played on the radio is heard by thousands of people at a time....a song downloaded to someone's iPod is only heard by them. That's the way I look at it, at least. Yeah but all the people who are listening might not actually like the song whereas people that buy it do and have made the effort, also some songs that are amazing aren't 'radio friendly' and are better than those who are, therefore they don't get played and wont chart high as they should? I guess that's my main complaint, I just think it's easier to judge whether loads of people like a song by them buying instead of it just being played to them when they might not want it being played...if that makes any sense Just realised I total just made us go off topic for this thread lol
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Post by Billy Uranus on Nov 25, 2012 20:17:05 GMT -5
^I understand where you and Nick are coming from, but I didn't know charts were supposed to reflect anyone's personal feelings towards the songs. If people liking a song matters, what about the people who hate the songs? "Call Me Maybe" is one of the most hated songs of the year, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't have been a #1. The idea of things like downloading and lastfm effecting charts is ridiculous to me...why should I care what total strangers are doing on the computer? I'm much more intetested in what professional radio stations are spinning. This is probably a total bias on my part, but that's honestly how I feel.
And don't worry about taking this thread off-topic. People were already complianing about its chart run for a long time.
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Post by Nick on Nov 25, 2012 21:47:41 GMT -5
Not bad, hahaha. KP, KP...I think we discussed before that many "professional radio stations" don't have a clue about what people want to hear, and it's still a good point in this situation. Maybe it's the same as "personal feeling", but to me, the charts reflect what is popular. If I just go on what stations are playing to consider things to be "popular" on the CAN alt chart, then that decision really comes down to about 25 people who are probably old enough to be my father. And requests reflect popularity, sure, but most stations don't even have a request form on their site these days, and if you call they'll just say "i'll see what I can do". I look at what people are requesting on Live 105 for their one-hour request show every day, and despite quite alot of good alt getting requested, they just choose requested songs that are in their playlist anyway. Tl;dr shit.
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Post by Pipa on Nov 25, 2012 21:50:39 GMT -5
And requests reflect popularity, sure, but most stations don't even have a request form on their site these days, and if you call they'll just say "i'll see what I can do". I look at what people are requesting on Live 105 for their one-hour request show every day, and despite quite alot of good alt getting requested, they just choose requested songs that are in their playlist anyway. I read somewhere that some radio stations have their request hours pre-planned, and just play clips of someone requesting that particular song. So I give kudos to ones that play any request, regardless of its popularity (or if it's even a single).
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Post by Billy Uranus on Nov 25, 2012 22:06:11 GMT -5
Not bad, hahaha. KP, KP...I think we discussed before that many "professional radio stations" don't have a clue about what people want to hear, and it's still a good point in this situation. Maybe it's the same as "personal feeling", but to me, the charts reflect what is popular. If I just go on what stations are playing to consider things to be "popular" on the CAN alt chart, then that decision really comes down to about 25 people who are probably old enough to be my father. And requests reflect popularity, sure, but most stations don't even have a request form on their site these days, and if you call they'll just say "i'll see what I can do". I look at what people are requesting on Live 105 for their one-hour request show every day, and despite quite alot of good alt getting requested, they just choose requested songs that are in their playlist anyway. Tl;dr shit. Radio in general can be disconnected with what people really want to hear. People wanted to hear "Gangnam Style" more than "One More Night," yet its the latter that spent 9 weeks at #1. "Paper Planes" is one of the most iconic songs of 2007, yet it somehow didn't even make the top 10. I guess if your definition of popular is what people like the most, then you are right: charts should be based off of what people are liking/listening to the most. I just find those things impossible to define/calculate. I know what you mean about the CAN alt chart being based on the opinions of 25 old guys...I just see radio stations being a bigger deal than one person's iPod.
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Post by Pipa on Nov 25, 2012 22:12:38 GMT -5
"Paper Planes" is one of the most iconic songs of 2007, yet it somehow didn't even make the top 10. Nah, it did. wweb.uta.edu/faculty/gghunt/charts/MIA.htmIt somehow missed the top 10 on Alt, which was surprising considering how quickly it climbed up the chart.
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Post by Squealer © TY Inc. on Nov 26, 2012 11:26:12 GMT -5
The problem here is the politics of USA radio. Everybody knows that the labels didn't want this song blocking their artists at #1 and labels don't' want to see K-Pop take over unless they're getting some monetary return. Frankly, it's corrupt and almost racist.
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