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Post by JessiePie on Feb 4, 2012 15:58:24 GMT -5
what records? I still have yet to see her jumping 97 spot on the Hot 100 to #1 like the true Queen. Or even having a song at #1 for 10 weeks like the true Princess. Both of whom are performing duets at this year's Grammy's. no1curr about Rihtard. In 10 years she'll be a forgotten memory while Godonna will be 64, still wearing leotards with her amazing body and having 20 year olds on her tail trying to take her down. POST OF THE YEAR.
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Post by Billy Uranus on Feb 4, 2012 16:28:48 GMT -5
Calling Rihanna Rihtard is not good when her singles have been outperforming Britney.
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Post by BRiTNASTY on Feb 4, 2012 16:41:46 GMT -5
Calling Rihanna Rihtard is not good when her singles have been outperforming Britney. Do you see me mentioning Britney anywhere? No? Try again. But good job at bringing up one person I stan for to try and rile something out of me. However, I am talking about Madonna here. The woman has been told she would be "gone in x amount of years" yet she keeps adversing the competitors. Constantly selling out tours, getting BIG hits, selling albums in gangloads. GaGa, Katy Perry and Rihanna are flashes in the pan and their popularity will wane much sooner than everyone thinks. And since you wanted to bring it up, Britney could've been the new Madonna in terms of longevity and hits. However that breakdown really screwed her over. She hasn't been the same person she was in 2004 at the height of her popularity. She could turn it around but I don't think she will. Meanwhile in 2022, Madonna will indeed be releasing another album, getting huge hits worldwide and will sell out yet another tour.
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Post by kevinkdc on Feb 4, 2012 17:16:57 GMT -5
lol Kp you got dragged
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Post by Billy Uranus on Feb 4, 2012 17:24:07 GMT -5
What does dragged mean? And Jake, I misunderstood your post from the last page and thought you were talking about Britney. I wasn't trying to rile you up but now I can see why you would think that. My poiny was that Rihanna hits like "Only Girl In The World" and "We Found Love" have had a bigger impact than the Femme Fatale singles and will likely be remembered for longer. I only said that because I thought you were talking about Britney.
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Post by BRiTNASTY on Feb 4, 2012 20:26:11 GMT -5
Problem with that logic is that Rihanna's singles are mostly throwaway songs. Besides her stans, her back catalog really isn't remembered. I've tested this logic before on friends and cousins and they still don't remember Pon De Replay/SOS/Umbrella unless you remind them.
The general public can notify with her current single and maybe her last single but none of her old singles.
This isn't anything to be proud of. But her label doesn't really care as they're more prioritized with getting her the next #1.
This same logic can be applied to Madonna/Britney/GaGa/Katy Perry EXCEPT the general public knows more of their singles because those artists generally have BIG moments with their singles.
With every Britney release comes articles upon articles from random blogs to the New York Times. People sit and analyze the secret meanings and conjecture behind her music videos. The same goes with GaGa and Madonna. Katy Perry is sort of that rare breed. Her debut album era was pretty much a throwaway but the Teenage Dream era may be remembered forever. Shit, I could see a music marketing class at a college being based on it because her label did everything PERFECT.
Reaction towards WFL was great, obviously but you didn't see people talking about it for weeks and weeks. The music video was a non event, she didn't perform it anywhere major and yeah she got 10 weeks at #1 but that's probably the one thing that she may get remembered for---until someone comes along and beats her.
Rihanna is a throwaway artist. You could put anyone else in her shoes and itd be the same story for them. Her creative team doesn't know how to create a MAJOR moment nor do they care BUT in the longrun that is what's going to get them into deep trouble because, heck, in 5 years time, something hotter and better will come along and be "the new Rihanna" while Rihanna herself has turned into Ciara/Ashanti and clinging to some sort of moment of fame that won't be reached.
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Post by Billy Uranus on Feb 4, 2012 23:57:37 GMT -5
Problem with that logic is that Rihanna's singles are mostly throwaway songs. Besides her stans, her back catalog really isn't remembered. I've tested this logic before on friends and cousins and they still don't remember Pon De Replay/SOS/Umbrella unless you remind them. The general public can notify with her current single and maybe her last single but none of her old singles. Now that simply is not true. I'm the biggest "Umbrella" hater you will find anywhere, but even I know that was one of the most notable songs of the '00s and is still remembered to this day. Your test may have shown Rihanna's singles to be forgotten, but come to where I live and you will have very different results. This isn't anything to be proud of. But her label doesn't really care as they're more prioritized with getting her the next #1. This same logic can be applied to Madonna/Britney/GaGa/Katy Perry EXCEPT the general public knows more of their singles because those artists generally have BIG moments with their singles. With every Britney release comes articles upon articles from random blogs to the New York Times. People sit and analyze the secret meanings and conjecture behind her music videos. The same goes with GaGa and Madonna. Katy Perry is sort of that rare breed. Her debut album era was pretty much a throwaway but the Teenage Dream era may be remembered forever. Shit, I could see a music marketing class at a college being based on it because her label did everything PERFECT. I agree that GaGa and Madonna do a better job of making events out of their singles than Rihanna. Reaction towards WFL was great, obviously but you didn't see people talking about it for weeks and weeks. The music video was a non event, she didn't perform it anywhere major and yeah she got 10 weeks at #1 but that's probably the one thing that she may get remembered for---until someone comes along and beats her. Rihanna is a throwaway artist. You could put anyone else in her shoes and itd be the same story for them. Her creative team doesn't know how to create a MAJOR moment nor do they care BUT in the longrun that is what's going to get them into deep trouble because, heck, in 5 years time, something hotter and better will come along and be "the new Rihanna" while Rihanna herself has turned into Ciara/Ashanti and clinging to some sort of moment of fame that won't be reached. I'm sorry. but there is no logic whatsoever behind calling Rihanna a "throwaway artist." You bring up several different points in your post but to say that takes away from all of them. She is one of the most consistantly successful artists in modern pop history and has legions of fans around the world. Music isn't about making moments; it's about making hits. Rihanna doesn't need to be around in five years because she has already outlasted several other stars of her generation.
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Post by BRiTNASTY on Feb 5, 2012 0:24:04 GMT -5
I'm not saying her old singles are forgotten, I'm saying that if you ask any random person off the street what their favorite Rihanna song is 9 times out of 10 they'll respond its whatever current single she has out or the last one.
I'm also saying she's a throwaway artist in the sense that there's is nothing special about her. You could throw any girl in her spot who has a good voice, is gorgeous and can dance and they'd have the same success if given the same exact songs, albums, release strategy, everything.
She's the Ciara/Ashanti of this decade and in 10 years time, she'll be gone just they are now and some other hot thing will have taken her spot and that is because she doesn't differentiate from the crowd.
That's exactly why Madonna/Britney/Mariah have all lasted as long as they have. They differentiate themselves from the crowd and their fans stick.
The fans thing is also just conjecture. Like I said, Rihanna has a lot of fans now who support her but she's nothing special in the industry. Ciara had a lot of fans during her peak, Ashanti had a lot of fans during her peak and now does Rihanna.
All I'm trying to say is, with her current strategy, she's not going to have a career in 10 years. You can't invest in Rihanna as a fan because in 8 months she's going to have a new album and a new sound for you to get used to. And 8 months after that a new album and a new sound and so on and so forth.
Also, her stans are what really scare me. A lot of her fans seem to think she is the greatest thing ever and so is her music. A lot of her music is generic as it comes. Fans are begging for "Where Have You Been" as a single, but that's probably her most generic club dance song yet.
And Riri fans should count their blessings. "We Found Love" was even supposed to be on her new album. Her label paid out the ass for that song. Calvin Harris produced it for his project, and now his album is delayed again. And it was supposed to be a duet between the two but they paid him even more for his voice off of it, which I find sketchy.
But all in all I honestly don't care. Rihanna doest register on my radar :X
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Post by kevinkdc on Feb 5, 2012 0:57:49 GMT -5
I totally agree with Jake. I know at least 10 people who thought We Found Love was from the loud era. Rihanna may have a lot of things but longevity and a number one album isn't one of them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2012 6:11:03 GMT -5
Britnasty, i think madonna does have longetivity, we all can see that from her last era and this era.
However, i think it is too early to write Lady gaga off. i think she can even though this era she kind of going the bad road.
People will remember katy perry who tie with michael jackson in the future.
In my opinion, rihanna would have been remember by the public if she does not keep releasing singles after singles. "Umbrella" will always be remember. That song was huge. Her voice was actually unique in my opinion.
Actually, Beyonce was the one i think people will forget in the future. She got the industry backing her and she got plenty awards but i do not she will be remember in the future once she hit the 40's.
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Post by JessiePie on Feb 5, 2012 11:43:04 GMT -5
Beyonce' will DEFINITELY be remembered and still be around in 10 years. Rihanna will not because, as Jake said, she's generic, unoriginal, and basically her record label's bitch.
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Post by Billy Uranus on Feb 5, 2012 16:46:32 GMT -5
I respect all of your opinions, but I still disagree with you guys. I can understand comparing Rihanna to Ciara and Ashanti based on her musical style/influences, but to compare her to those two in terms of star power is absurd. Ciara and Ashanti came, they had a few hits, and they left just as quickly. "Goodies" may have been widely popular, but people don't necessarily put a face to it they way they do with Rihanna songs.
Rihanna is an international superstar. Ciara never was. I think you guys are letting your hatred of Rihanna prevent you from seeing the truth in regards to how big she is. To say she is anything less than one of the biggest female artists of the past five years would be foolish. You guys can call Rihanna generic and unoriginal, but what exactly makes Britney, Beyonce or Katy Perry so groundbreaking? Of all the women that have been brought up in this thread, Madonna (and possibly GaGa) are the only ones we can truly call original.
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Post by BRiTNASTY on Feb 5, 2012 17:05:10 GMT -5
You guys can call Rihanna generic and unoriginal, but what exactly makes Britney, Beyonce or Katy Perry so groundbreaking? Of all the women that have been brought up in this thread, Madonna (and possibly GaGa) are the only ones we can truly call original. I feel like you're missing my point. Katy Perry isn't groundbreaking BY ANY means, but the Teenage Dream era was. Britney and Beyonce aren't groundbreaking in the sense they're bringing anything new to the table, but they are two true popstars who have made their careers groundbreaking. Every move Britney and Beyonce make is dissected by every blog/magazine/tv show on the planet for DAYS on end. Rihanna got assaulted by Chris Brown and HE got more attention from it then she did. Rihanna drops a new single and people talk about it on message boards but you don't see E! News, Entertainment Tonight, and every other media outlet obsessing over what she is doing. She might have hits behind her but like I've said both times I've replied, you could put someone else in her shoes and they'd have the same success if they're given the same songs/albums/promotions/etc.
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Post by Billy Uranus on Feb 5, 2012 17:10:39 GMT -5
^When you put it that way, I can understand where you are coming from. I get my music news from the internet, so I get the impression that Rihanna is fairly huge when there are countless articles dedicated to her getting tattoos and what not. I don't watch E! or other big time entertainment news sources, though, so I am not aware of who gets talked about and who doesn't.
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Post by Drag on Feb 5, 2012 17:19:27 GMT -5
Here's how I see this: Madonna/GaGa/Britney are really the only artists of our times that have been many of their individual singles events. "Bad Romance", "Like A Prayer" and "...Baby One More Time" are all iconic in the sense that they were different from everything else released during their times and all 3 singles proved that each of those artists are capable of making their work a global phenomenon. I really don't get that feeling from "Rihanna" or "Katy Perry". Sure they've had their hits but their labels really don't let each individual song sink in and I really feel like that will hurt them in the long run. I honestly feel like the Chris Brown incident has overshadowed "Umbrella" and in that sense I don't know if she'll be regarded for her music past her prime. Katy's singles this era have all performed extremely well; however, I really don't feel like any of them will make a lasting impact 10 years down the line (Firework may do so though).
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Post by EdgeOfAddiction on Feb 6, 2012 18:01:34 GMT -5
what records? I still have yet to see her jumping 97 spot on the Hot 100 to #1 like the true Queen. Or even having a song at #1 for 10 weeks like the true Princess. Both of whom are performing duets at this year's Grammy's. no1curr about Rihtard. In 10 years she'll be a forgotten memory while Godonna will be 64, still wearing leotards with her amazing body and having 20 year olds on her tail trying to take her down. oh you poor pressed soul, I'm 10 years, I hope that hag still doesn't try to act 21 with her legs spread and dusty coochie hanging out while she "performs"...that lip synching she did on the superbowl wasn't even good and that dusty flop was outshone by her features! what pathetic so called Queen of pop allows her features to be the bigger hit then herself???
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Post by EdgeOfAddiction on Feb 6, 2012 18:10:51 GMT -5
I'm not saying her old singles are forgotten, I'm saying that if you ask any random person off the street what their favorite Rihanna song is 9 times out of 10 they'll respond its whatever current single she has out or the last one. I'm also saying she's a throwaway artist in the sense that there's is nothing special about her. You could throw any girl in her spot who has a good voice, is gorgeous and can dance and they'd have the same success if given the same exact songs, albums, release strategy, everything. She's the Ciara/Ashanti of this decade and in 10 years time, she'll be gone just they are now and some other hot thing will have taken her spot and that is because she doesn't differentiate from the crowd. That's exactly why Madonna/Britney/Mariah have all lasted as long as they have. They differentiate themselves from the crowd and their fans stick. The fans thing is also just conjecture. Like I said, Rihanna has a lot of fans now who support her but she's nothing special in the industry. Ciara had a lot of fans during her peak, Ashanti had a lot of fans during her peak and now does Rihanna. All I'm trying to say is, with her current strategy, she's not going to have a career in 10 years. You can't invest in Rihanna as a fan because in 8 months she's going to have a new album and a new sound for you to get used to. And 8 months after that a new album and a new sound and so on and so forth. Also, her stans are what really scare me. A lot of her fans seem to think she is the greatest thing ever and so is her music. A lot of her music is generic as it comes. Fans are begging for "Where Have You Been" as a single, but that's probably her most generic club dance song yet. And Riri fans should count their blessings. "We Found Love" was even supposed to be on her new album. Her label paid out the ass for that song. Calvin Harris produced it for his project, and now his album is delayed again. And it was supposed to be a duet between the two but they paid him even more for his voice off of it, which I find sketchy. But all in all I honestly don't care. Rihanna doest register on my radar :X the amount of f**king delusion. I am not even going to touch how incredibly wrong you are. you have to be thick skulled to the highest degree to not realize a new album means new sounds which means the artist re-invented his/herself. but clearly you want the same immature noise after noise like GMAYL. I won't drag Britney even though I know that's going to hit your nerve the most and GaGa is already a tired has been. I'm not giving her my time of day. This is me officially rescinding my stan card.
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Post by BRiTNASTY on Feb 7, 2012 0:51:14 GMT -5
Typical response by a rihanna stan grasping at straws. When she's gone in 10 years, I will find you and laugh.
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Post by BRiTNASTY on Feb 7, 2012 0:51:49 GMT -5
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Post by BRiTNASTY on Feb 7, 2012 9:53:53 GMT -5
no1curr about Rihtard. In 10 years she'll be a forgotten memory while Godonna will be 64, still wearing leotards with her amazing body and having 20 year olds on her tail trying to take her down. oh you poor pressed soul, I'm 10 years, I hope that hag still doesn't try to act 21 with her legs spread and dusty coochie hanging out while she "performs"...that lip synching she did on the superbowl wasn't even good and that dusty flop was outshone by her features! what pathetic so called Queen of pop allows her features to be the bigger hit then herself???
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Post by EdgeOfAddiction on Feb 7, 2012 11:14:54 GMT -5
Typical response by a rihanna stan grasping at straws. When she's gone in 10 years, I will find you and laugh. What "straws" was I grasping at? I am stating facts upon watching the show at halftime AND from critics who said Kelly, Cee Lo, Nicki and MIA eclipsed whatever spectacle Madonna put on. I mean really? She stood there for a good min doing nothing while a tightrope walker jumped around like a monkey. She wished she could have gotten more attention than an acrobat.
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Post by Billy Uranus on Feb 7, 2012 11:27:42 GMT -5
How could Nicki and MIA top Madonna when they were featured for less than a minute? Nicki was her usual self and the only reason MIA will be remembered is because she flipped off the camera and came about as close to saying "shit" as you possibly can get. A lot of people may have liked Cee Lo Green's performance, but imo the show would have been better without him.
My favorite part of the halftime show was LMFAO.
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Post by EdgeOfAddiction on Feb 7, 2012 12:14:14 GMT -5
How could Nicki and MIA top Madonna when they were featured for less than a minute? Nicki was her usual self and the only reason MIA will be remembered is because she flipped off the camera and came about as close to saying "shit" as you possibly can get. A lot of people may have liked Cee Lo Green's performance, but imo the show would have been better without him. My favorite part of the halftime show was LMFAO. they topped madonna easily and flawlessly cuz they gave the song life. with them, the song would have flopped harder than MTN
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Post by Billy Uranus on Feb 7, 2012 21:11:33 GMT -5
They gave the song life in that they aroused public interest and made it more cultural relevance. But if you ask me, they bring down the quality of the song.
They didn't top Madonna because she performed for over 10 minutes and they got about 30 seconds apiece, if that.
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Post by BRiTNASTY on Feb 7, 2012 23:17:52 GMT -5
If anything Nicki Minaj RUINS the song. Her rap is pointless and unncessary. M.I.A. brings swagger to the song but really they should've just stuck to doing the chants.
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