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Post by Till Da World Ends [MARK] on Aug 30, 2010 22:28:18 GMT -5
Rumors are swirling that P!nk has a GH coming out late November
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Post by Monroe on Aug 30, 2010 22:36:46 GMT -5
GH packages in today's age are useless.
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Post by Till Da World Ends [MARK] on Aug 30, 2010 22:42:56 GMT -5
maybe to you but i still love them. i will definitely buy this just to have all P!nk's singles on one disc. I could make it myself but I'd rather just buy it.
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Post by Monroe on Aug 30, 2010 23:43:25 GMT -5
I don't see the point in buying it you can download all of her songs ala carte on iTunes right now. The only reason to purchase it would be for the art (not even then, because you can just save the pictures as soon as they are released) or if there's a couple new songs (and not even then either because all you have to do is buy the new songs). Back in the 80's and 90's GH's packages were big deals, now no longer. There's no point since everything is digital. This will probably sell next to nothing in total sales because people can already access P!nk's back catalog right now. They can go back already to Can't Take Me Home and start cherry picking right up till Funhouse if they had the desire to.
P!nk should just make a new album.
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Post by DJ 7.0 on Aug 31, 2010 0:20:46 GMT -5
I like Greatest Hits that include a lot of new material.
I think one of the best recent examples was Matchbox 20. They did a 2 disc set, one with their hits (could have been a bit more beefy...should fill the whole disc!) and another disc of all new material. Granted it was not a full album, but it was double the standard of what normal artists do. Very nice set.
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Post by BRiTNASTY on Aug 31, 2010 17:21:55 GMT -5
I already downloaded a fanmade GH compilation of P!nk's greatets hits lol
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Post by Late Winter on Aug 31, 2010 18:37:32 GMT -5
I can't imagine a GH from her doing much here. I'm sure her fans in Australia will gobble this up though
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Post by ___D___ on Aug 31, 2010 19:46:34 GMT -5
Yeah, at this point, GH's are just excuses to release new material between albums...which is fine, imo.
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Post by BRiTNASTY on Aug 31, 2010 20:00:21 GMT -5
Plus there's rumors she wants to start a family so really, release a one off single with a GH then take an extended break.
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Post by - `J0EL™ on Aug 31, 2010 20:01:11 GMT -5
This will sell 150K max.
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Post by Billy Uranus on Aug 31, 2010 20:23:17 GMT -5
GH packages in today's age are useless. I disagree. The only way they can be useless is if you already own all of the artists' other albums. For example, if Nickelback released a greatest hits album, I wouldn't really have a reason to buy it (unless, like Derek said, it included new music). But there are a lot of artists that I like, but don't like enough to buy every album. I own several greatest hits CDs and I think they are great for what they are. Definitely not useless.
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Post by Till Da World Ends [MARK] on Aug 31, 2010 20:46:57 GMT -5
i think GHs are still good for todays climate. theres a ton of people who become new fans of some artists or are just casual fans who dont feel like buying all the albums so if they see one cd (whether in physical or digital form) with all the persons hits (and is cheaper than buying them all individually on itunes) then its good. like if nickelback came out with a GH, i would buy it. im a casual fan and love the hits but dont own all of them. i would buy it so i could just have all their hits on one disc. plus its no effort for me
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Post by Billy Uranus on Aug 31, 2010 20:51:00 GMT -5
i think GHs are still good for todays climate. theres a ton of people who become new fans of some artists or are just casual fans who dont feel like buying all the albums so if they see one cd (whether in physical or digital form) with all the persons hits (and is cheaper than buying them all individually on itunes) then its good. like if nickelback came out with a GH, i would buy it. im a casual fan and love the hits but dont own all of them. i would buy it so i could just have all their hits on one disc. plus its no effort for me First all, you're a total smash for saying you'd buy a Nickelback GH. ;D But seriously, I agree with everything you said. It was basically what I was trying to say. I'm a casual fan of Incubus. I'm not interested in buying every one of their albums, but I like them enough to have their GH CD.
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Post by Monroe on Aug 31, 2010 23:07:13 GMT -5
I disagree. The only way they can be useless is if you already own all of the artists' other albums. You seem to be stressing over this cd thing when it's really not contingent on that what so ever. Like I said above you can go on iTunes or any other downloading music portal or site and listen to the music there and then download it. You can make your own greatest hits collection of songs rather easily right now. Just type in the band or artists name for instance "Kelly Clarkson" and go through her numerous albums and see what you like and what you don't and then you have your own Greatest Hit's package of "Kelly Clarkson". You do realize that you can buy music or just download it online for free right? That is if you have an MP3 player of some sort. Greatest Hit's for the digital age is useless and the sales of those most recent GH's packages are proving it more and more with each successive release.
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Post by Billy Uranus on Aug 31, 2010 23:57:25 GMT -5
You seem to be stressing over this cd thing when it's really not contingent on that what so ever. Like I said above you can go on iTunes or any other downloading music portal or site and listen to the music there and then download it. You can make your own greatest hits collection of songs rather easily right now. Just type in the band or artists name for instance "Kelly Clarkson" and go through her numerous albums and see what you like and what you don't and then you have your own Greatest Hit's package of "Kelly Clarkson". Yes, but (most of) the people who use iTunes or other sites to download their music wouldn't be buying CDs in the first place. That group of people isn't relevant here. You do realize that you can buy music or just download it online for free right? That is if you have an MP3 player of some sort. Greatest Hit's for the digital age is useless and the sales of those most recent GH's packages are proving it more and more with each successive release. Yes, I realize that. But the sales of every type of physical release are being hurt by the digital age, not just Greatest Hits packages. The CD format is becoming more and more dead, and it doesn't matter if the content on the CD is brand new or a compilation. The same way you can download your own GH collection for P!nk, you can download the brand new Linkin Park album that is about to come out. Everything is suffering because of that, not just this one concept.
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Post by Monroe on Sept 1, 2010 0:09:50 GMT -5
Yes, but (most of) the people who use iTunes or other sites to download their music wouldn't be buying CDs in the first place. That group of people isn't relevant here. That's not necessarily true. There are still people who buy albums, but they are buying these albums because they want the new material. What is the point of buying old material that you already have access to? I don't get it. You can buy this material at literally any time which is convenient for you. Well if the sales of new releases are being hurt by the digital age it stands to reason that greatest hits packages released in today's market would be subjected to an even worse fate would it not? Since the material in question is media that they already have access to and which is already old material they've already experienced, anyway? Contemporary artists of today would thus have no purpose to release a greatest hits record. I am not saying that there isn't some John who would and could derive pleasure from a GH's package but I am saying that the audience in question is significantly limited, which is why GH's sales are down across the board because it's not necessary because people can make their own greatest hits with the internet. So it makes sense that the people who do buy these packages are becoming fewer and farther in occasion, and it's obvious that they are the fewer rather than the majority. I agree with your point about the CD format becoming dead but I disagree that the difference between new material and old material is the same. I am far more likely to buy an album of new material that I have been anticipating rather than buying a greatest hits package of material that I am unsure of. Especially when I know I can search the artists page and just cherry pick the songs I do like rather then randomly pick up an album and like maybe 40% of the songs on the album. Music is becoming more selective and more user based and user friendly. Yes in theory you can do the same with new material too. Album sales and music sales in general have faded a bit since the digital age but newer material still winds up selling a lot more then the greatest hits packages do on average which makes sense because it's new material that's being promoted and advertised on multiple media formats.
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Post by Billy Uranus on Sept 1, 2010 0:27:53 GMT -5
That's not necessarily true. There are still people who buy albums, but they are buying these albums because they want the new material. What is the point of buying new material that you already have access to? I don't get it. I understand your point, but I thought that in today's world, people had access to pretty much everything. If you can download a brand new album that hasn't come out yet, why would you want to buy it in stores? Well if the sales of new releases are being hurt by the digital age it stands to reason that greatest hits packages released in today's market would be subjected to an even worse fate would it not? Since the material in question is media that they already have access to and which is already old material they've already experienced, anyway? Contemporary artists of today would thus have no purpose to release a greatest hits record. I am not saying that there isn't some John who would and could derive pleasure from a GH's package but I am saying that the audience in question is significantly limited, which is why GH's sales are down across the board because it's not necessary because people can make their own greatest hits with the internet. So it makes sense that the people who do buy these packages are becoming fewer and farther in occasion, and it's obvious that they are the fewer rather than the majority. You're definitely right. Since (with some exceptions) albums sell more than GH packages anyway, it's only natural that they would suffer a worse decline. I guess I'm in the minority then, because I usually prefer the GH packages, I own several of them and plan on buying several more. I just think it's the perfect way to go for a casual fan, like Mark said. And to be fair, not all people can make their own greatest hits with the internet. Keep in mind there are still plenty of people out there with no internet access that do enjoy music, and there are also people (like me) who can't download. I agree with your point about the CD format becoming dead but I disagree that the difference between new material and old material is the same. I am far more likely to buy an album of new material that I have been anticipating rather than buying a greatest hits package of material that I am unsure of. Especially when I know I can search the artists page and just cherry pick the songs I do like rather then randomly pick up an album and like maybe 40% of the songs on the album. Music is becoming more selective and more user based and user friendly. Yes in theory you can do the same with new material too. Album sales and music sales in general have faded a bit since the digital age but newer material still winds up selling a lot more then the greatest hits packages do on average which makes sense because it's new material that's being promoted and advertised on multiple media formats. I agree with you here. It's so easy to be unsure about a greatest hits album, because half of them don't make any sense. I have the Foo Fighters' greatest hits CD, and simply put, it's weird. They had the most played Alternative song of 2008 ("Let it Die"), but that song isn't on there. Yet random songs like "Breakout" are. To make matters even more confusing, the DVD of music videos is a different selection from the songs (granted, not every song had a video, and not every video was for a big hit). While it doesn't bother me, it does confuse me and the average consumer would probably be annoyed by it. I don't think P!nk has to go that route though. She'd be fine just putting her biggest, most well-known songs on the CD (and hopefully a DVD of the videos) and not omitting any big hits.
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Post by DJ 7.0 on Sept 1, 2010 1:33:15 GMT -5
I agree with Mark on this one.
I don't own a single thing from Britney (besides the Boys Single) and I bought her greatest hits that came out last year even though I could easily make my own Greatest Hits online...I just felt like I should support her.
I could do the same thing for P!nk. I don't own anything from her, but she is still an artist I truly enjoy.
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Post by Late Winter on Sept 1, 2010 16:24:11 GMT -5
Really good debate we got on going here between Monroe and KP. I think I can see both of your points. From a pragmatic standpoint, I see where KP is coming from. If people are against buying music, that will apply to all forms, greatest hits and studio alike. But I also where Monroe is coming from, in that studio albums do have a better chance in today's market because they are being promoted more efficiently in more mediums than a GH album would be. I don't know if this is too subjective or looking at things from too much of a philosphical "artsy" point of view, but I think what could separate studio albums from greatest hits is the "album experience". From being able to look at the credits more comprehensively to being able to "enjoy" the experience of listening to the album as one cohesive piece the way it was intended. And to skip songs constantly, or rip them to mp3s or other user centered manipulation would be "soulless" I know a lot of people stand by this belief, but I'm not sure how much of it would apply practically in terms of how great of an impact it would have on album sales. And GH albums would be a little different, because for the most part unless specifically mentioned, there usually is no story or meaning behind a GH listing. It's usually in chronological or reverse chronological order . So the experience of a GH is soulless regardless. Of course I'm playing a big of devils advocate here, cause I'm one of the soulless ones who doesn't mind a free downloaded studio album manipulated or mixed up the way I want it.
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Post by Till Da World Ends [MARK] on Sept 1, 2010 16:56:41 GMT -5
the point is, i dont see a harm in releasing them
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Post by DJ 7.0 on Sept 1, 2010 18:19:38 GMT -5
u tell them mark!
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Post by kevinkdc on Sept 1, 2010 18:23:02 GMT -5
Hmm, Very Interesting.
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Post by Late Winter on Sept 4, 2010 15:40:26 GMT -5
So what do you guys think a tracklisting should be? Most Girls There You Get The Party Started Don't Let Me Get Me Just Like A Pill Family Portrait U+Ur Hand Stupid Girls Who Knew So What Sober Please Don't Leave Me ...are on lock I think. I don't think they'll include You Make Me Sick, God Is A DJ, or Funhouse. I think they might include Trouble and Glitter In The Air though
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Post by DJ 7.0 on Sept 4, 2010 17:10:03 GMT -5
I doubt "Stupid Girls" will be included. It was more of a flop than "You Make Me Sick"
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Post by DJ 7.0 on Sept 4, 2010 17:13:07 GMT -5
1. There You Go 2. Most Girls 3. Get The Party Started 4. Don't Let Me Get Me 5. Just Like A Pill 6. Family Portrait 7. U + Ur **** 8. Who Knew 9. David Perkins 10. Sober 11. Please Don't Leave Me 12. NEW SONG 1 13. NEW SONG 2 14. Lady Marmalade (Bonus track for certain non-US)
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